I don't talk loud on the phone or anything like that.
He's making it up.
I can't help it if my voice carries at times.
I don't know, he's some kind of a nut and gets a thrill.
No, he gets a thrill out of it.
Will you guys help me about that? He keeps, that's what I mean.
He gets away with picking on me.
You shouldn't get away with it.
What does this guy do? I mean, is he, is this, is this, now, you want to, you want to hold it? It started, I didn't know it started.
Yeah, it's going, you just hold it and sit, you know, there you go.
He just talks.
There's nothing wrong with my voice.
Is that guy bothering you? No, what's he doing? He's making it up.
Yes, yes, he bothers me in a funny, sadistic way like that.
Does he follow you around? Well, he sort of does.
You just saw what he did.
He comes out of the checking room and starts bothering me like that.
He hides in there.
He works here in the checking room there and he wants to come at me and grin at me a certain way like a queer like this.
That's what I mean about it, not being a free country and nobody takes my side about anything like that.
And I've been falsely arrested a number of times and on false disorderly conduct charges.
Now, what, what, what, tell me what they call you when they arrest you.
Well, when they take me into the station in the back of their police car, they say over and over again, Roger Dodger, Roger Dodger, you know, like they're trying to shake me up, you know, and they, they, you know, they, they, they, they, you know, all that and stuff like that.
And they pretend that I call the police fascist pigs when I don't call the police fascist pigs.
And they're using that for an excuse to illegally arrest me and everything like that.
And people see them and people have seen them shine spotlights on me and the people don't care.
I mean, I don't think that's fair.
And I can't, the American Civil Liberties Union absolutely refuses to help me and these other organizations won't help me at all.
Even the Legal Aid Bureau won't help me.
And I'd like to know why the American Civil Liberties Union won't help me.
Is it because they're a publicity seeking organization? I think that that's why they won't help me.
I can't get a lawyer to take the case.
And for no reason at all, I can't go to the Holloway restaurant here on Randolph Street.
And I don't think that's fair either.
That they can order me out because they can get away with it.
In other words, for anybody that's seeing the film and listening to my voice, they use me as a scapegoat because they know that they can get away with it and because nobody's going to defend my rights as an American citizen or take my side.
And they're using me to get away with it.
And this has been going on for quite some time.
And that's why I would like to leave the United States of America and never come back to it because I honestly feel that I would be treated as more like a citizen in a place like Austria or even Cuba or any other country like that compared to this country, you know, like Denmark or Switzerland or the Soviet Union.
You know, they say that there's supposed to be persecution in Cuba and the Soviet Union, but I'm actually being persecuted in the United States.
So why is it that everything they say bad about the socialist countries like the Soviet Union, East Germany, Cuba, Red China, Czechoslovakia happens to be here in this country? I think that's a good point.
Why is it that everything that they say about exiling to Siberia has happened to me here in this country, you know, where I get used for some kind of a scapegoat because I look harmless or something like that.
But the only consolation is so that people will know that I'm not paranoid that they're watching the film and listening to my voice is that it doesn't happen as often as it used to.
In other words, I want everybody that's watching this film and listening to my voice to realize that I don't think everybody is against me because these things don't happen to me as often as they used to, meaning that I'm actually not paranoid.
But yet it still happens, like a colored guy that yells at me, hey, come here, you know, in a cruel way like that, you know, and goes like this with his feet, you know, right after he, oh, he yells at me, hey, come here, and then he goes like this with his feet a certain way to there.
In other words, they want to scare me.
But as I said, it doesn't happen as often as it used to.
Well, about this, this is where they falsely arrested me, sir, on false, everyone has been a false disorderly conduct charge where they use that as a catch -all.
Did they say you're loitering or something? Well, they know me and they harass me and stuff like that.
And even on the near north side where I live, wagon 6130 is still harassing me, you know.
They followed me with a wagon and they told me to come here, you know, and everything like that.
And they yell from the...
They're sadistic, in other words, they're using me for a scapegoat and a clown.
And they yell from their police truck at you? They yell at you? Yes, they do.
Now, you're talking about the cafeteria, too.
Now, couples come by in the front there.
There was never a couple that came by? Not everyone.
Not everyone.
But there's some people who kiss in there? Oh, yes, well, like where the King Castle is when I'm sitting there, I don't know, this couple, a couple of staff and a man kissed them out and kissed outside on stage.
I don't know, it embarrasses me to talk about it.
I mean, it's too bad.
It's some kind of certain form of sadism.
I don't know if anybody's watching that would be interested in this and listening to my It's a certain type of perversion.
I don't know.
And also, I'd like to say that the reason I'm not shaved is because I'm a product of this environment and I can't get to my electric razor because I owe rent, you know, and I moved.
That's good.
Now...
And it's too bad.
I wish I knew a lawyer that would help me about this business where they falsely arrest me.
The CE Tulley, who I went to see, an NAACP lawyer at 407 South Dearborn said that he would investigate it about this police condition, you know.
I don't know if he's going to actually help me or not.
Somebody just told me about him recently.
Now, are you...
And I've been getting some help from Sergeant John Walsh of the patrol division.
He's had some of them suspended for this.
He's had some of these police suspended for this.
You know, Sergeant John Walsh of the patrol division at 11 State.
He's been helping me about some of this stuff.
Because see, the police know that when they can always do this to me, nobody's going to be a witness to that, you know.
Now, beyond that, could you tell us something about the loneliness of this? Oh, yes.
Oh, yeah.
And I live all by myself and it's a lonely life.
I mean, oh, yes, nobody helps anybody.
You can be laying in the gutter in the street and nobody will even lift a finger to help you, you know.
Just like this friend of mine that lives on the near north side.
It's a big open jungle where everybody's for themselves and the only thing that counts is the almighty buck, the almighty dollar, you know.
Were you born in Chicago? Yes, I was.
And in the north...
In what part of Chicago? On the north side, I think, on Hitter's Weed.
Uh -huh.
Around...
Or no, I mean around Pratt and Newgard, I'm sorry.
I think I was born around...
If I remember correctly, I was born around Pratt and Newgard.
Are your parents still alive? Well, that's another good question.
I have a stepmother, they're divorced.
Now they live in Miami and I don't even know their address.
That's another thing, too.
Now, what about your girlfriend? Do you see her? Oh, that's...
Okay, we'll talk about that.
She's not actually a girlfriend.
She's predatory, doesn't appreciate anything I do for her anyway.
She doesn't appreciate anything I do for her anyway.
It's such a lonely life.
You asked me about the loneliness.
That's a good question.
You see, you've asked me about the loneliness.
Well, you see, I try to find somebody like her because it is a lonely life in the city.
I feel the whole country is lonely, more or less anyway.
Not only Chicago, but New York and Los Angeles and all over the country is the same thing.
It's a lot of conformity and everything like that, besides that.
It's a big open junk one.
I don't even like rock and roll or baseball, so I try to have her because I feel that the people don't know anything anyway, or the majority of the people don't know anything anyway.
You asked me about her, it's a lonely life.
You asked me about the loneliness.
Yes, it's a lonely life.
Everybody just goes their own way.
They all live in their own little world.
Is there anything worthwhile in the city at all? You go to the Art Institute.
Oh yes, there are a few things like that.
There are a few of the FM stations that play classical music and the Art Institute.
But I don't know anybody that goes there.
That's another thing.
You see, I can't...
This isn't my normal voice.
This isn't my normal speaking voice, by the way.
I'm a lot calmer than this.
I'm saying this for the benefit of the movie audience that will be seeing this and listening to my voice.
I'm usually not this...
Excited.
Excited.
I'm a little tired.
I'm...
Did your friend, do you think he would like to say anything or he doesn't like the talk? I don't think he would like to.
Well I do have sort of Marxist views, but when the police falsely arrest me, they don't know that until they see that picture of Fidel Castro that I carry.
In other words, they make me a victim of individualism.
I like Cuba very much because they don't have any relations with this country.
I did like China, but I see now that the very same thing that China accuses the Soviet Union of, this is my own opinion, they're doing the same thing, you know, by establishing relations with this country and everything like that.
North Korea also is another country that supports the interests of the third world, you know, in Cuba and North Korea.
There's an organization called the Youth Against War and Fascism that I like an awful lot that knows of.
In other words, they feel that the Soviet Union is not playing enough of a revolutionary role in the third world.
Your work in this school seems to be pretty well educated.
Did you study anywhere or did you just read? Well, I am interested in politics and culture and that's why it's a lonely life for me and why I try to find this girl who doesn't care about me.
You see, I'm isolated in other words.
Even my friend doesn't have the same ideas.
He thinks that Russia is a dictatorship, but I don't agree with him.
It depends what kind of a dictatorship it is.
This is a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie over there.
It's a dictatorship of the proletariat.
Of course, the people can't see my friend that's here in the library, but even he doesn't have the same ideas I do about the socialist countries, you know, especially Cuba and North Korea or any of them for that matter.
He's part Swedish and Finnish.
What nationality are you from? I'm Russian Jewish.
How old are you? You haven't seen your parents in a long time? Well, that's a good question.
They moved to Miami about three months ago.
Oh, right.
I don't even know the address.
I have a stepmother and a father.
That's too bad too.
I've asked them to send me to a different country and they wouldn't do it when they were in Illinois.
Oh yes, when I was illegally arrested before when I was on the near north side, they wouldn't even get me out or anything like that.
What do they arrest you on? They arrest me on false disorderly conduct charges because they use that as a catch -all.
I'm sure that the people that are watching the movie and listening to this would be interested in that.
They can use that as a catch -all, false disorderly conduct charge to cover a false arrest like when I have a place to live and I'm not drunk, so what do they make it a plain false disorderly conduct charge? And so they light on the arrest reports at times too.
They've picked on me from the Chicago Avenue station quite a bit too, although a lot of that has been stopped now.
I've been getting some help about it.
Have they ever convicted you of anything? I hate to say what's happened to me.
He sent me to Dr.
Kelleher and from there they had the psychiatric institute at 11th and State and from there they sent me to the Reed Center.
That's terrible.
Any questions you have there? No, no, that's a mental institution.
They automatically sent me there and they took my key from me before they put me in the room.
They took my personal property away from me and they took me out there in a wagon with my hands handcuffed behind my back.
I cried and everything.
That's terrible.
I'm really being taken advantage of it.
I don't think it's fair.
