I talk to Jim about going into the back room with the girls and relate this to the sexual advances a girl made to me at Milwaukee Psychiatric Hospital. March, 1982.

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Hey Rudy, why don't you go in the back room? I got some girls back there that really make you feel good.

Hey Rudy, why don't you go in the back room? I really got some girls back there that really make you feel good.

I know you got some girls back there that you can rub their breasts and their vagina and they can rub your penis and things like that, but I remember one time when I was in the hospital there was this girl and she was pretty ugly.

She was real thin and she almost wanted to rub her body against mine and it made my penis hard.

And I don't know if I should have done that.

I know that a priest once told me that masturbation isn't sinful for me, but here I was.

She wanted to kiss me all the time and I was rubbing up against her and I didn't come, but I don't know if that was right.

And then here we were watching television one time and she'd be rubbing my pants.

She'd think she'd be rubbing my penis, but actually it wasn't.

And she kept saying, are you coming yet? And I said, no.

And I got nervous and I told my doctor out there that I wanted to leave the hospital because these girls would do this all the time and my doctor thought I was running away from things so when I asked her to leave and she wasn't too happy about this, she thought I should face these kind of things, but I don't know if I can do that kind of thing in the back room.

What do you think? Do you think I should try it? Yeah, go back there.

It'll make a man out of you.

Well, I don't know.

I guess it's an oral sex or intercourse, but I don't know about that.

I guess maybe it isn't a sin to have somebody touch you.

I don't know.

I'll have to think about that.

It'll change your character.

Oh yeah? You'll change, you'll grow up, you'll be more mature, you'll be more adult.

Well, okay, we'll see how I feel.

Maybe I'll have to watch one of the girls dance first and then maybe I can decide if I want to rub me or not.

Okay, you go watch the girls dance.

Okay, I think I'll do that.

Okay.

Hey Rudy, why don't you go upstairs? I got a good band playing up there.

There's a lot of young single chicks up there.

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Hey Rudy, why don't you go upstairs? I got a good band playing up there tonight.

There's a lot of young single chicks at the bar just looking for somebody to dance with.

Big tits, gorgeous girls.

Why don't you go up there and have yourself a good time tonight? Okay, I'll go up there.

Just turn your head and watch them.

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