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with with daily in this election and daily is very very very popular with

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Latino voters right now I mean I'd be real surprised if he got less than 75 or

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80 or maybe even higher some of the Latino politicians just saying it's

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gonna get 90% of the vote in their districts can you tell us what what

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seems to be the dominant coalition going on over here and if at this point at

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least in this point in time if black politicians are looking from the outside

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looking at this point I mean what's the dominant politics coalition that the

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only seems to be putting together right now you know that is so weird to figure

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out because I don't see daily doing anything proactive to galvanize

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coalitions I think Hispanics unfortunately are just tying into that

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daily mystique tying into the daily name and and the daily aura I don't see the

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are doing anything that's very succinct to to pull in Hispanic politicians and

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it's it's really I think double jeopardy because many of those same Latinos who

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are saying we love Mayor Daley now were during the 80s saying we're part of the

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Harold Washington coalition I don't see daily doing anything that's really

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substantial to bring them in I think the Hispanics are basically living on on the

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daily mystique in the daily name and I think they'll be cheated in the long run

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they're cheating themselves well they're doing something for themselves in this

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are they making a calculation as far as what they can get out of this I would

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think so I would think so but but once again if I were a Latino I wouldn't be

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able to put my finger on anything distinctive that Mayor Daley has done

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for me or promised my community I think too many Latinos are living on that that

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past daily mystique

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and they feel that there's there's more than it's more than just a mystique that

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there's a certain link I mean we're talking about everybody being Catholic

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talking about being immigrants and being somewhat conservative so well you know

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there's much concern about the mayor issuing a directive to the city police

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department if someone is a suspected of being an illegal immigrant it's a hands

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off procedure with the police department the mayor says you can't suspect them

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you can't detain them INS isn't happy about it so yeah you're probably right

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maybe the Hispanic community feels an affinity there because there's a hands

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off policy in terms of illegal immigration so maybe that is a hook for

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them but I don't think it's a legitimate hook

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in a regular city in any city you'd expect that the mayor would have some

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support in the black community and there'd be people politicians on it

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come out publicly and say yeah I'm with the mayor and somebody will come out and say they

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weren't doesn't seem to be the case well you know you look at these black

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politicians in this town that historically have aligned themselves

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with the black churches let's face it the black church has been the base of

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black politics dr. King Jesse Jackson and the like I mean to preach from the

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pulpit is is what preachers should do but politicians get up there every

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election and they want to be preachers and it's so sad and it's so tragic and

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politicians pimp black churches every election especially in this town and

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black parishioners fall for the okie-dokie and you look at these African

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American ministers who constantly support the incumbent and I don't see

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him doing anything for them in particular in helping the congregations

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they might help certain preachers to get contracts and to get sweetheart deals

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from the city but I don't think the members of those churches are

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benefiting and what really really bothers me as an outsider as a

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from the outside in this political sphere I see a lot of these preachers

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for example altering the Lord's Prayer give us this day our daily bread as in

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Richard Daly and to me that's a total insult and I really don't think black

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parishioners should fall for them but they do and it's sad

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but nevertheless there even there seem to be some aldermen who are in the daily

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camp but they don't they can't say publicly they don't seem to be able to

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black base has been anti Richard J. Daly anti Richard M. Daly and oftentimes

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perception becomes reality and if there is a slight perception that activists

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politicians that outspoken black politicians that rebel black politicians

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or even merely aligned or are slightly aligned with the incumbent mayor that

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could be suicidal in their communities that's why someone like a Gator Bradley

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is becoming more attractive nowadays because they're into their attuning

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themselves they're bonding with those angry masses out there and even though I

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don't think Gator Bradley will win this particular campaign I think it will come

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down to a race between Ty Kenner because he's so well known in the ward and the

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incumbent Dorothy Tillman there's a place for someone like a Gator Bradley

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out there and that's why they're becoming increasingly popular

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because they're they're they're binding those angry masses.

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Let me ask you this I mean in a city where aldermen you know really are you

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know they base their power or their influence on being able to provide

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services if all the African-American aldermen the ones that like daily and

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the ones that don't like daily you know can't ally themselves at all publicly

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with them where does that leave them in terms of having the ability and the

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access to be able to do anything for their constituents?

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It leaves them out in the cold look at John Steele for example in the sixth

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war John Steele replaced Gene Sawyer who was acting mayor and a lot of black

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people are still angry at because they think he would he sold out I'm not

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saying it's true but that's the perception John Steele replaces Gene

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Sawyer in the sixth ward which strongly has been one of the largest turnout

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wards in terms of black voters and you've got black services in the sixth

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ward because they were aligned with the daily administrations old man daily and

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then and the new King Richard as many people say but you look at a John Steele

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for example he still gets city services in his ward even though he's anti

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administration but I think the administration respects someone like a

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John Steele so that's where I again urge more black activists politicians to

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step up I think that if they challenge Mayor Daley more often they'll get more

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respect but not enough black politicians in my mind are bold enough to step up

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they want to sit back and play it safe and if they keep that attitude that will

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be suicidal.

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So what's what's in your words how would you describe Chicago politics sorry by

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saying Chicago politics is?

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Chicago politics is a circus an absolute circus but who doesn't love to go to the

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circus New York has Broadway LA has Hollywood here in Chicago we've got our

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politics we've got our sports teams and we've got our politics as my partner

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Ed Vidalak he says Chicago politics is a sport and that's true but to me it's a

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sport slash circus so whoever isn't into sports they're into politics or they've

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got the best of both worlds they're into both in this town we don't have

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Broadway we don't have Hollywood but we've got our sports teams whether they

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stink like the Cubs or they're on the move like the Bears we've got politics

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and we've got sports and we live and die with them.

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What are Chicago politicians like?

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Chicago politicians I think are totally unique animals some of them are very

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greedy and these are the longtime incumbents because they've used people

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for so long and many of them will supply city services to get that first wave of

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votes but I think Chicago politicians that have been around for a long time

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have gotten complacent have gotten apathetic and thereby the voters have

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gotten apathetic and that's why you see such low voter turnouts you've got the

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historic machine wars that will turn out but I think again harkening back to the

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Gator Bradleys of the world and some of the the new rebels that are coming up

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now if they learn from that same formula of the old dinosaur machine politicians

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and refine it to to the 90s they could have those same long-term

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compensations.

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Where do black voters in Chicago, where do they get their information from about politics?

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Is it the same place that white voters get it?

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Well talk radio is very big in this time and as we know talk radio certainly played a

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major role in the last national elections and even though many pundits

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will say that that wave of the electronic town hall on talk radio is

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very conservative and that could be detrimental to blacks. Talk radio has

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been a long-standing trough for blacks to draw from over the years but I think

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it's been ignored by mainstream. In this town for example you've got WVON which

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is talk radio but it's a daytime station and it's only a thousand watts but

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people pay attention so where blacks get their information they get it from the

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media and now the talk radio has become a national phenomenon and you've got

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persons like me who obviously is an African-American and it's in the

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mainstream media they're paying attention to outlets such as this.

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Is it also easier for African-American candidates who sometimes don't have the

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access to resources to be able to tell us about that?

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Absolutely. Look at the city clerk's race for example Jim Lasky he's an

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city clerk he wants to step up he has some money behind him he has campaign

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commercials Ricky Hinden his opponent incumbent state senator a longtime

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West Side Force but Ricky doesn't have the bucks but he knows he has access to

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shows like Edward O'Liac and Ty Wansley he knows he has access to the other

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talk shows in town because he's a rebel and I commend people like Ricky Hinden

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even though he might not win this election I commend him because he's the

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type that's going to step up and let's face it the 90s are an in-your-face

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attitudinal time people like Ricky Hinden he gets in your face you might

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not like him you might despise him but you pay attention to him because he

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gets in your face and even though he might not have the bucks he certainly

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has the the chutzpah to get in your face and tell his story and I think we need

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more of that. Historically in the black community what's the importance of Lou

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Palmer's radio shows? Not only Lou Palmer's radio shows years ago when I

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first came to this town in 1980 Lou Palmer had a syndicated five-minute

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program called Lou Palmer's Notebook was sponsored by Illinois Bell for a while

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it was sponsored for a while by People's Gas not only his shows Lou Palmer now

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has a show called On Target on WVON which airs maybe twice a week maybe three

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times a week that's an essential in terms because Lou Palmer opens his show

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with African drums beating and African drums certainly years and years ago

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were the talk radio of their time and I think Lou Palmer is very wise to

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continue that signature logo because when you hear the drums beating you know

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it's time for Lou Palmer to tell you how he feels and most people in the black

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community that feel downtrodden and oppressed and used and abused by the

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system will pay attention to Lou Palmer and will probably buy into the

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philosophy and the notion of Lou Palmer and see Buck and Bipple so when I first

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came to this town Lou Palmer had Lou's Notebook and even though it was five

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minutes people listened to it every day they knew what time it was coming on they

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knew what stations it would be on not only did they listen they digested they

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remembered and they learned from it and even though Lou doesn't have his

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notebook anymore and he's heard at night on WVON and he has a very limited

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audience people still from those Lou Palmer notebook days pay attention to

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this man they they listen and they learn and I think Lou will be a permanent

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force in terms of not only getting people involved he educates the black

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masses and we need more loop homers and I hope he's cultivating more youth to to

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come up in his life so you think he has an impact politically every day more

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than you know so tell tell me that the Lou Palmer has Lou Palmer has tremendous

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input because people learn from Lou Palmer they just don't listen to Lou

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Palmer they learn and they take away a message and Lou Palmer for example in my

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mind was the one responsible for Harold Washington running in the first place

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Harold ran back in the 70s I think as a diversion just to see if the time was

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right he didn't he didn't win and maybe some people thought the time wasn't

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right at that particular time Harold was reluctant to run in 83 but it was Lou

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Palmer who held the plebiscites at Bethel AME Church it was Lou Palmer who

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got on the airwaves of various stations saying we shall see in 83 and it was

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Lou Palmer who I think basically convinced Harold Washington you can do

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it so Lou Palmer was important then and is just as important now because people

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again just don't listen they learn from him

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So one last time tell us that he's important but it's Lou Palmer having

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importance in a political importance so we know that it's that it's Lou Palmer

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it's in Chicago and it's politics

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I didn't say politics

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Okay so tell us about Lou Palmer one last time

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Lou Palmer is extremely important Lou Palmer is vital when it comes to Chicago

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politics because not only African-Americans listen to Lou Palmer

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people in Chicago listen to Lou Palmer and they learn from Lou Palmer because

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when it comes to politics he educates people how to register how to vote he

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educates people the importance of a plebiscite because in my view Lou

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Palmer convinced Harold Washington when he was comfortable in Congress to run

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for mayor in 83 and had it hadn't have been for the importance of Lou Palmer

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saying we need black plebiscites we need to have a canvassing of who the

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potential candidates would be Harold Washington never would have run and

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never would have won but thanks be to the education and the foresight of Lou

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Palmer we got Harold Washington and I think Lou Palmer was important then

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politically and even more politically important now they listen and they learn

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One more question

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We've been both in black and white wards. The white wards feelings run high about politics

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people are really involved they really get into it. Is it like that in the black wards?

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You know what amazes me about that? Right after Harold Washington's death I was

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doing a talk show similar to this working solo on a black owned and

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operated station and I had people call the show that identified themselves as

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police officers I have my doubts about their authenticity but they called

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and said Ty we're white cops and Ty we just got one message for you and all

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those black people out there I said okay what's your message and the message was

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as follows quote Ty we're going to take our city back I said who's we who does

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the city belong to? We white people. You black people had Harold Washington you

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black people had Harold Washington appointing black people and yeah you had

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your you had the city for a while but we are going to take our city back at that

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point I proceeded to remind these very ignorant callers in my view of the

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original founding father of Chicago certainly the Native Americans were the

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indigenous citizens to this town but I said who founded Chicago who was the

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first permanent settler they thought about it they didn't know and it was

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Jean Baptiste Pointe de Sable a black man a black Haitian so my point is if

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they're going to say we're going to take our city back we being white people I

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historically remind people it was a black who was the first permanent

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settler so who city was it in the first place? Food for thought. You said you said

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they were they were they were saying we're gonna take our city back? Oh and

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and they were vehement about it I mean I could hear the viciousness I could I

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could hear the the animus over the phones it was like it was payback time

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okay Harold's dead and gone we are going to take our city back it was frightening

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well I got a question for you I mean you know in listening to the some of the

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rallies in the last couple days whatever and looking at just what they always

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coalition's right now have they taken it back for the time being? Well I think

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those particular callers had a mindset and the more they articulate that

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thought yeah more white people are going to galvanize around that and perhaps to

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a large degree they have taken their city back but if blacks learn from that

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formula of the long-standing machine and they use the machine the way the machine

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used them in the past blacks can have their day in the Sun one more time

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that's great okay okay cool if you had some money hanging out of your pocket

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I'd really

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I would have talked about

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I alone

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yeah I was a eyelids and my solution

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What time is it?

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It's 7.30 Friday before a Tuesday election.

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Most people that are not done, they're probably walking to precinct right about now.

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Obviously, I'm not there doing it.

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I'm pretty secure in my precinct.

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God help us if it does come through now, boy.

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I'm sure the opposition is out working right now, either blitzing and or getting ready to do something tomorrow morning.

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I'm sure they're very nervous.

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We were there four years ago, wired for sound.

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I mean, I guess I'm still kind of wired right now.

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We won't get any sleep for another few days.

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Tomorrow morning, all I'm going to do is just go back and deal with some of my so-called zeros, the undecideds.

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In the final three days, I'll tell you, I'm just talking for myself.

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I'm going to go after my zeros, all my undecideds, and try to relax as best I can, which doesn't come naturally.

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I'm just looking forward to Sunday for the meeting, get our stuff together, and just the waiting game now, which is actually the hardest part of the game.

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I'm trying to stay awake and trying to stay focused, but this is the boring part of the game because you've got really nothing to do.

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I mean, there's no race going on.

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I hate to say it, but there's really no race out there.

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So all we're going to do is just castrate, make sure we don't get hit with anything.

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If we do, we respond to it.

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Maybe, maybe not.

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Today we've got a little excitement to try to change a polling place on us, right in Brian's backyard.

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It was a three precinct multiple, and I think we've got it under control.

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I think the polling place is going to stay there, but we'll put that to sleep, I think.

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We'll be able to rest lightly tonight, but right now we're just trying to rest up and pretend like nothing's happening.

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Hell no.

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What's the weather today?

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56, 57?

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If it can drop 30 degrees, we'll be happy.

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I want it cold.

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I'll keep the opposition inside.

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We've got them unnumbered on the precincts.

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It's a fact, especially in Chicago, the opposition cannot bring the vote out on things like that

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because they can't.

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They don't have the manpower to do it.

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I'll be inside drinking coffee and eating donuts with the rest of them because my numbers are going to come in,

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and I feel very confident with them.

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I care.

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The candidate cares.

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This game is won before the election is done.

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It's a numbers game.

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The only thing that I have to worry about on Tuesday is making sure that the votes come out,

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the pluses, or the people that are with us that come out and vote.

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But whether all my pluses come out or not, my precinct has been won a month ago.

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Sounds cocky, it is.

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I'm confident.

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It's only a matter of by how much my precinct comes in,

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by how much our ward carries Brian by.

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It's that old axiom, all politics is local.

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People vote for their backyard.

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It's a precinct by precinct, door to door, neighbor to neighbor politics.

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That's the way we treat it.

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I don't think our opposition is treated that way.

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I think they would like to, but I don't think they have the capacity or the capability to do so.

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Not going to wood Brian Dian? I don't know.

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I know, I know.

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I really can't think of any, it's real weird.

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Having a clean politician for a boss or a clean candidate or clean product to sell,

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because that's all it is, a product that you're selling.

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We've got really nothing to be afraid of.

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We're running on a record, our record's been four years of working our butts off.

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And we really have nothing to worry about.

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I'm sure there's other politicians out there, other ward people that have a lot to worry about for whatever reason.

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You've got to worry about the last minute stuff that comes up, dirt that might pop out.

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Most people on the last week don't tend to believe that,

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because they're pretty well educated in the city.

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But the dirt can't fly out, you keep your eye out for that.

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If you're looking for tricks, they could blitz your precinct and tell people that the precinct voting booths have been changed to another location.

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You've seen all of them, that elections a day after, they'll do a blitz in your precinct with the wrong date on it,

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a different location for the polling booths.

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Everything from calling your candidate a homosexual, a rapist, a philanderer, anything, it could happen.

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It has to happen in this city.

