WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.100 --> 00:00:12.560 Tell me when you're ready, Steve. 2 00:00:15.300 --> 00:00:15.520 Okay. 3 00:00:15.920 --> 00:00:16.440 Can I ask you something? 4 00:00:16.440 --> 00:00:16.720 Yeah, sure. 5 00:00:16.820 --> 00:00:17.160 Go ahead, Paul. 6 00:00:17.380 --> 00:00:20.560 Chuck, can you tell us again what you were talking about, about why you shouldn't do 7 00:00:20.560 --> 00:00:21.420 stuff with the ministers? 8 00:00:21.700 --> 00:00:23.360 I mean, you shouldn't talk about them? 9 00:00:24.740 --> 00:00:25.460 Well, because... 10 00:00:25.460 --> 00:00:28.820 It started as if you didn't hear my question, so you need to introduce what you're talking 11 00:00:28.820 --> 00:00:29.120 about. 12 00:00:29.120 --> 00:00:30.060 Okay. 13 00:00:32.260 --> 00:00:41.420 I was saying that the candidates, those people who voiced their objections to the ministers 14 00:00:41.420 --> 00:00:47.800 making their endorsement, were kind of not... 15 00:00:47.800 --> 00:00:50.440 They were not astute in doing this. 16 00:00:50.440 --> 00:00:57.220 They weren't wise in making that decision because they're going to be running for other 17 00:00:57.220 --> 00:01:02.840 positions, and it's not the right thing to do to be on the wrong side of the ministers, 18 00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:04.820 even though they might not be for you at this time. 19 00:01:04.820 --> 00:01:13.900 There will be other things that they will be asking for support in doing, and I wouldn't 20 00:01:13.900 --> 00:01:19.620 want to be on the wrong side of ministers for the future because you never know. 21 00:01:19.680 --> 00:01:26.560 This is a business that you shouldn't make enemies in because the ministers can remember 22 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:33.400 and to say, to call them names and so forth, it's just not the right way to go. 23 00:01:35.840 --> 00:01:36.640 Is this where we should park? 24 00:01:36.860 --> 00:01:37.300 Yeah. 25 00:01:39.580 --> 00:01:41.000 Steve, you want to... 26 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:41.100 The wire? 27 00:01:41.540 --> 00:01:42.680 The about... 28 00:02:13.360 --> 00:02:14.160 Bishop? 29 00:02:15.620 --> 00:02:16.260 Bishop? 30 00:02:19.020 --> 00:02:19.900 Mrs. Williams? 31 00:02:20.140 --> 00:02:20.620 Yes, sir. 32 00:02:20.620 --> 00:02:22.160 How you doing? 33 00:02:26.380 --> 00:02:29.120 I will get to it. 34 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:33.920 Don't I have something after the class every Sunday evening? 35 00:02:34.740 --> 00:02:36.560 Just a couple people want to see it. 36 00:02:36.780 --> 00:02:38.400 Do I have anybody to confirm? 37 00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:39.500 No. 38 00:02:41.100 --> 00:02:42.560 Because grass feeds there. 39 00:02:45.520 --> 00:02:52.140 This is how the pastors connect with the city. 40 00:02:52.900 --> 00:02:54.180 This is networking. 41 00:02:55.100 --> 00:03:00.160 Sitting there and they're working on my calendar right now and so forth. 42 00:03:00.660 --> 00:03:05.800 Concern about the whole man, which will be ministers. 43 00:03:07.060 --> 00:03:13.660 This is a great responsibility and obligation because it is more holistic now than it has 44 00:03:13.660 --> 00:03:16.180 ever been at the time of it. 45 00:03:16.260 --> 00:03:17.160 That's the bottom line. 46 00:03:17.580 --> 00:03:17.940 Doctor? 47 00:03:18.280 --> 00:03:18.720 Yeah. 48 00:03:19.160 --> 00:03:22.580 This is the so forth and how we... 49 00:03:22.580 --> 00:03:23.320 You said it. 50 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:24.180 All right, now. 51 00:03:25.680 --> 00:03:30.660 And how we get together and do that. 52 00:03:30.660 --> 00:03:32.620 I'm not sure we should give them all of our secrets. 53 00:03:33.980 --> 00:03:35.320 I'm not sure. 54 00:03:35.320 --> 00:03:39.400 I'm just sure that if it works here, it will work anywhere. 55 00:03:40.800 --> 00:03:44.400 Dr. King was all...that was his bottom line. 56 00:03:44.820 --> 00:03:53.940 That if we can get Chicago going because that's such a metropolis, a mixture in Chicago, it 57 00:03:53.940 --> 00:04:01.160 will work in New York and Detroit and California and Florida and Memphis and everywhere. 58 00:04:01.160 --> 00:04:08.320 For Chicago, it's a very unique city. 59 00:04:09.160 --> 00:04:20.400 We're located right on Lake Michigan, but also it is an intersection for cross the country 60 00:04:20.400 --> 00:04:21.380 and travelers. 61 00:04:22.040 --> 00:04:29.200 You have to come through Chicago, I think, more than any other city that I know of, wherever 62 00:04:29.200 --> 00:04:32.120 you're going, north, south, east or west. 63 00:04:33.100 --> 00:04:38.760 And it is situated kind of what we call Midwest. 64 00:04:40.160 --> 00:04:42.420 It's some of everything in Chicago. 65 00:04:43.160 --> 00:04:48.840 I could have come...I had the opportunity to go to St. Louis when I left Brownville, 66 00:04:48.840 --> 00:04:49.280 Tennessee. 67 00:04:49.420 --> 00:04:50.840 Brownville, Tennessee. 68 00:04:52.260 --> 00:04:55.440 And I had the opportunity to leave when I got to be 21. 69 00:04:55.440 --> 00:05:05.220 My parents had kin folks in St. Louis, but somehow or another my spirit led me to Chicago 70 00:05:05.220 --> 00:05:13.280 because like most black people in the South, we're looking for greater opportunities. 71 00:05:13.320 --> 00:05:14.600 Doors open. 72 00:05:15.180 --> 00:05:17.580 And I came here in 45. 73 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:21.400 So you know what was going on at that time. 74 00:05:21.400 --> 00:05:25.520 And I really came to Chicago to be a mortician. 75 00:05:26.240 --> 00:05:27.460 I hadn't thought about being a preacher. 76 00:05:28.220 --> 00:05:30.060 And the Lord called me into this. 77 00:05:30.420 --> 00:05:37.800 But in the meantime, I found out that there's so much in Chicago, whether it's good, bad, 78 00:05:38.460 --> 00:05:46.120 right or wrong, negative or positive, and it's left up to you to choose. 79 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:50.320 Somebody have called this the melting pot in Chicago. 80 00:05:50.320 --> 00:05:55.980 And if there's any talent, any gifts and whatnot that you have at all, you can make it in 81 00:05:55.980 --> 00:05:56.360 Chicago. 82 00:05:57.420 --> 00:06:02.120 If you can't make it in Chicago, you can't make it anywhere. 83 00:06:03.340 --> 00:06:08.940 So I decided to let down my bucket right here in Chicago as a minister. 84 00:06:09.420 --> 00:06:13.820 Not only is it good for ministers, but good for politicians, good for business people, 85 00:06:14.180 --> 00:06:17.440 good for professional people, I'm telling you. 86 00:06:17.440 --> 00:06:23.900 And it's left to you whether you take the low road or the high road, and either one of these professions. 87 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:28.660 It wasn't something that I chose as a ministry. 88 00:06:28.860 --> 00:06:35.000 And I said like very serious, I'm commissioned by God, by God. 89 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:49.840 And to me, that's the greatest height, greatest calling station that a man can be, is to be called by God. 90 00:06:50.200 --> 00:06:58.720 Because in this profession, I've learned that I can, maybe a doctor, lawyer, politician, 91 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:07.000 and they're only interested in a certain phase, certain part of man. 92 00:07:07.500 --> 00:07:14.180 But in my profession, and it is they call it, I'm concerned about the whole man. 93 00:07:14.640 --> 00:07:20.560 We call it many times a holistic kind of gospel. 94 00:07:20.960 --> 00:07:25.560 It's not just pie in the sky, and I do believe that there's something beyond the sky, in the sky. 95 00:07:25.640 --> 00:07:27.240 You don't have to do away with that. 96 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:37.880 But we got to walk some golden streets here, got to be able to eat some steaks here, got to be able to wear some robes here. 97 00:07:38.660 --> 00:07:46.120 Now, the old people, they had the right kind of thinking, and it had to be God to do that. 98 00:07:46.500 --> 00:07:52.260 That even when we were in slavery, they were saying those songs, 99 00:07:52.260 --> 00:07:56.500 When I get to heaven, gonna put on my robe, gonna put on all over God's heaven. 100 00:07:56.880 --> 00:07:59.160 When I get to heaven, gonna put on my shoes. 101 00:08:00.820 --> 00:08:09.260 And heaven to them, as we just got through observing the documentary, was coming to Chicago, coming north. 102 00:08:09.540 --> 00:08:10.220 You hear what I'm saying? 103 00:08:10.700 --> 00:08:13.600 So I'm involved in that kind of thing, though. 104 00:08:14.060 --> 00:08:18.860 We're not doing away with pie in the sky, but we cannot also forget about the old preacher 105 00:08:18.860 --> 00:08:28.800 that gave them hope during slavery and kept more families together and did so much good. 106 00:08:29.240 --> 00:08:36.300 Now, in this modern time, though, we have to be concerned about where our children go to school. 107 00:08:37.280 --> 00:08:38.640 Got to be concerned about education. 108 00:08:39.140 --> 00:08:41.580 Got to be concerned about where we live. 109 00:08:42.520 --> 00:08:49.060 All of these slum houses and communities, if you're a real church, 110 00:08:49.820 --> 00:08:55.620 and the church is the greatest institution that we have in the world, black folks, 111 00:08:57.040 --> 00:09:00.420 for I always say that there are five institutions that run our country. 112 00:09:00.920 --> 00:09:08.800 That's the home, church, school, education, business, and government. 113 00:09:11.220 --> 00:09:13.800 Everything else can just about be summed up in it. 114 00:09:14.760 --> 00:09:19.320 And a long time before we are heading the businesses, 115 00:09:19.540 --> 00:09:22.880 a long time before we could get into government, 116 00:09:23.800 --> 00:09:29.600 for we were locked out for a long time, we had a home and a church. 117 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:31.960 The church is the church. 118 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:38.980 Politicians have found that out, and that's the reason why they flocked to our church during election time, 119 00:09:39.280 --> 00:09:42.300 trying to get us to vote for them and so forth. 120 00:09:42.640 --> 00:09:49.540 For we have a gathering every Sunday, every Sunday, every Sunday, 121 00:09:50.180 --> 00:09:52.780 that politicians couldn't gather in six months. 122 00:09:53.640 --> 00:10:00.720 So we have our finger on the plus of the community, the plus of what's happening. 123 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:06.040 And in the black community, if you don't come by the church, you're missing something 124 00:10:06.780 --> 00:10:11.380 that is very, very, very important. 125 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:19.960 Out of our churches, come some of our greatest, 126 00:10:20.060 --> 00:10:26.000 where you know all of the civil rights and most of them were led by preachers and come out of churches. 127 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:33.000 But when you go into the theatrical world, their background was the church. 128 00:10:34.320 --> 00:10:37.300 And it's just so important, and I guess that's the reason why it's so important, 129 00:10:37.700 --> 00:10:47.180 that I, along with others, are so interested in politicians 130 00:10:48.260 --> 00:10:52.460 to see to it that the right kind of people are elected. 131 00:10:55.260 --> 00:11:03.300 We are the ones that hold the barometer, as to whether they have morals, integrity, honesty, 132 00:11:04.440 --> 00:11:06.140 whether they are committed. 133 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:10.560 And I think we ought to make them accountable to us. 134 00:11:10.920 --> 00:11:14.360 So the more people, I don't care whether they're teachers, whether they're doctors, whether they're lawyers, 135 00:11:14.480 --> 00:11:21.620 whether they're politicians, if they're Christians, if they have a church background, they're much better. 136 00:11:21.620 --> 00:11:25.000 I feel more comfortable in that presence. 137 00:11:25.080 --> 00:11:31.360 My doctor, if he's Jewish, whoever he is, if he believes in God, I can feel a little more comfortable. 138 00:11:32.240 --> 00:11:38.700 If it's my lawyer, my teacher, my mayor, my governor, 139 00:11:39.980 --> 00:11:49.120 for it does say something about that they have some principles, some morals, 140 00:11:50.420 --> 00:11:51.620 some ethics. 141 00:11:53.640 --> 00:11:57.440 They must be ethical about them. 142 00:11:57.740 --> 00:12:03.520 So that is a reason why I think that we've had to break out of these glass-stained windows 143 00:12:03.520 --> 00:12:07.400 and these painted walls and become involved in the community. 144 00:12:07.940 --> 00:12:12.040 Everything that goes on used to be time we can't just stand by. 145 00:12:12.040 --> 00:12:19.280 And I think Dr. King helped us to kind of understand that we had to get out from behind these painted wall glass 146 00:12:19.280 --> 00:12:23.740 and hit the street and be concerned about as we pick cotton. 147 00:12:24.220 --> 00:12:25.980 And they would say, what, picking presidents? 148 00:12:27.620 --> 00:12:29.900 And so forth and so on. 149 00:12:30.580 --> 00:12:36.300 So I'm not apologetic about being involved. 150 00:12:37.980 --> 00:12:40.000 I think it's a mandate. 151 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:45.480 It is my duty, local, state, national, whatever. 152 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:59.460 It is otherwise I'm being negligent when I don't get involved in this whole system. 153 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:02.000 And that's where I stand. 154 00:13:02.840 --> 00:13:04.780 Thank you for the question. 155 00:13:07.520 --> 00:13:17.620 Pastor, you're the leader of the clergy for a better Chicago, United Clergy for a Better Chicago. 156 00:13:18.120 --> 00:13:24.780 And in that capacity, we called a meeting of the clergy that endorsed the mayor. 157 00:13:24.780 --> 00:13:31.780 And have you received any flak from that endorsement? 158 00:13:32.820 --> 00:13:35.400 And if so, how have you dealt with it? 159 00:13:37.680 --> 00:13:38.260 Check. 160 00:13:40.380 --> 00:13:41.160 Yes, definitely. 161 00:13:41.260 --> 00:13:52.680 That group is made up of into denominational, not just Baptist, Church of God, apostolic, spiritual. 162 00:13:52.680 --> 00:14:04.700 Also the West Side, South Side, North Side, and Old Side, which brought together a group, 163 00:14:05.540 --> 00:14:10.860 not from any particular location or denomination. 164 00:14:12.680 --> 00:14:23.960 I think that that was a wonderful move that was made to unite endorse. 165 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:25.740 All of them would have done it singly. 166 00:14:26.260 --> 00:14:27.580 It's a matter of choice. 167 00:14:28.640 --> 00:14:38.700 And if we saw fit to do it that way, it just showed more unity and more strength. 168 00:14:40.600 --> 00:14:50.700 Certainly since then, I have received some intimidation. 169 00:14:53.180 --> 00:14:55.700 I have received some very negative. 170 00:14:56.740 --> 00:15:04.540 Well, when we went in that day, they was calling us chicken eaters and judicers and betrayal of 30 pieces of silver. 171 00:15:05.800 --> 00:15:09.380 And just no good, and so forth and so on. 172 00:15:09.800 --> 00:15:16.260 But that's really why you have to have a conviction and stand for something either for or for nothing. 173 00:15:16.820 --> 00:15:17.480 Just let me know. 174 00:15:17.600 --> 00:15:24.400 When it comes to two or three things in life, and I advocate that, see, I walked these streets too long 175 00:15:25.620 --> 00:15:34.900 and boycotted and demonstrated for our freedom to let anybody take that away from me. 176 00:15:35.100 --> 00:15:39.280 Anybody, anybody free to choose. 177 00:15:41.140 --> 00:15:41.960 That's all it is. 178 00:15:42.500 --> 00:15:45.740 And anybody said to me, you can choose, but I can't choose. 179 00:15:46.540 --> 00:15:47.760 Something's wrong with that. 180 00:15:47.760 --> 00:15:54.060 So if you choose different from the way that I choose, you're wrong. 181 00:15:55.920 --> 00:15:57.620 That don't even sound right. 182 00:15:57.920 --> 00:16:02.020 You ought to be free to choose, and I'll fight just as hard for you to make a choice. 183 00:16:03.140 --> 00:16:07.140 But you must let me make my choice. 184 00:16:07.720 --> 00:16:16.440 And I'm saying here, when it comes to free to vote for whoever you want, whatever you want, 185 00:16:17.400 --> 00:16:19.540 you ought to have that, and it's personal. 186 00:16:19.960 --> 00:16:24.400 And sometimes it's so private that you won't even tell anybody, but if you see to tell somebody, 187 00:16:24.780 --> 00:16:26.000 it ought not to be offensive. 188 00:16:28.260 --> 00:16:29.140 Now I say that to everyone. 189 00:16:29.140 --> 00:16:32.440 Number two is, let me give you just two freedoms. 190 00:16:35.220 --> 00:16:38.100 Who you marry, who you choose, is your companion. 191 00:16:40.820 --> 00:16:45.400 Now it may be somebody that your friend, your sister and brother and mother approve, 192 00:16:45.400 --> 00:16:51.340 and it may not be, you know, but that's personal. 193 00:16:52.420 --> 00:16:53.960 You can't afford to give that up. 194 00:16:54.760 --> 00:16:58.940 And the third one I would name to you would be the freedom of your religion. 195 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:05.520 And you would hope your friends would approve if you're a Baptist, a Catholic, a Methodist, 196 00:17:05.700 --> 00:17:07.740 but if not, that is their personal. 197 00:17:08.540 --> 00:17:15.540 So some of the things that, that's what, that's been the bottom line as far as I am concerned, 198 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:20.180 is that you're not supposed to be free to choose. 199 00:17:21.460 --> 00:17:28.920 And therefore if you don't choose like I want you to, I'll picket your church. 200 00:17:30.580 --> 00:17:39.520 I'll get on the radio and say a lot of things, call you a lot of names. 201 00:17:41.120 --> 00:17:44.320 I have held that, I've held that very proud for. 202 00:17:47.780 --> 00:17:56.700 My first time I was a parent, I don't have to defend, and I don't want nobody trying to defend me. 203 00:17:57.840 --> 00:18:06.160 And the one thing you can do is defend a principal that he has a right, the freedom to select. 204 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:09.020 Everybody, don't try to defend me. 205 00:18:10.140 --> 00:18:19.300 The, you know, defend the principal that every man, every woman has that freedom without it being taken away or threatened. 206 00:18:19.880 --> 00:18:30.460 So what I have done in that I've just taken the high road and kept on stepping because this will be over after a while. 207 00:18:31.100 --> 00:18:35.160 And you know I've had to do that when I ordained the first woman. 208 00:18:35.940 --> 00:18:42.360 I've had to do that when Dr. King came to town, you know, I was ostracized and criticized. 209 00:18:43.960 --> 00:18:47.200 I had to do that even when Jess was joining the people in the room. 210 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:49.780 So I mean I faced one right after another. 211 00:18:50.120 --> 00:18:53.540 And as I told somebody the other day, when this one was over, another one come, let it come. 212 00:18:55.280 --> 00:18:57.860 Also be aware that all men speak the way I love you. 213 00:18:58.820 --> 00:18:59.400 Is that right? 214 00:18:59.940 --> 00:19:01.580 They're supposed to. 215 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:05.720 And every time it just boosts me more. 216 00:19:06.140 --> 00:19:07.520 I didn't know I was that important. 217 00:19:08.080 --> 00:19:17.880 Well you know I was in, I was at Revenniti's church on Friday night and I was at Bishop Jones' last night. 218 00:19:18.820 --> 00:19:28.380 And both were giving sermons and spoke about the same thing that you're talking about, the freedom of choice and the right to defend the freedom. 219 00:19:28.380 --> 00:19:35.060 And I think that to be honest with you it probably would not have come up had it not been for that situation. 220 00:19:35.080 --> 00:19:43.880 So what's happening is there's being more conversation from the ministers now saying, you know, I have that right to make that decision. 221 00:19:43.900 --> 00:19:48.840 And I am the leader and I made that decision based on my conviction. 222 00:19:49.440 --> 00:19:52.720 Even if it's wrong you still have the right to make it. 223 00:19:54.040 --> 00:19:56.960 I don't say go and make all the decisions without being advised. 224 00:19:56.960 --> 00:19:58.320 I listen in about it. 225 00:19:58.340 --> 00:20:02.980 But in the final analysis who are you going to vote for that's pressing you to make that. 226 00:20:03.120 --> 00:20:06.060 And you don't have to make it about somebody pressuring you. 227 00:20:06.520 --> 00:20:08.880 Who are you going to marry? Who are you going to be your companion? 228 00:20:09.840 --> 00:20:11.840 If your mama don't like it. 229 00:20:12.820 --> 00:20:14.680 I said mama don't like it. 230 00:20:14.940 --> 00:20:16.180 That still ought to be yours. 231 00:20:17.340 --> 00:20:19.240 I got some children. I won't say I agree. 232 00:20:19.540 --> 00:20:20.940 You know what I mean? But that's debilitating. 233 00:20:21.680 --> 00:20:23.280 Don't take that away. 234 00:20:25.120 --> 00:20:27.360 You know I get very sad about that kind of thing. 235 00:20:27.660 --> 00:20:30.880 And whether you want to be whatever your religion is. 236 00:20:33.240 --> 00:20:34.340 You exercise that right. 237 00:20:34.820 --> 00:20:37.500 And I won't let nobody take that from me. 238 00:20:37.680 --> 00:20:41.380 We had some altercations. 239 00:20:43.800 --> 00:20:47.020 It wasn't on as friendly terms as I am with his son. 240 00:20:48.500 --> 00:20:50.480 His philosophy was a little different. 241 00:20:50.480 --> 00:20:52.800 Because when King got ready to come to town. 242 00:20:53.160 --> 00:20:54.640 And this was his philosophy. 243 00:20:55.200 --> 00:20:58.440 King never moved into a town without being invited. 244 00:20:59.040 --> 00:21:04.020 He said you don't move in on other people turf without them inviting. 245 00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:06.380 So myself and a few others did. 246 00:21:06.820 --> 00:21:14.840 Well at that time his father, Daly, and the city council and what not said. 247 00:21:14.840 --> 00:21:19.400 That there was no segregation here. 248 00:21:21.560 --> 00:21:23.500 No racism here. 249 00:21:23.860 --> 00:21:26.920 Houses were open. Schools were open. Jobs were open. 250 00:21:27.540 --> 00:21:29.560 And they took that stand. 251 00:21:30.240 --> 00:21:32.440 Because Chicago has always been a great city. 252 00:21:32.540 --> 00:21:34.460 And you know how the old man felt about it. 253 00:21:34.460 --> 00:21:35.320 The best in the world. 254 00:21:35.580 --> 00:21:38.460 He said he wouldn't let nobody cast a reflection upon Chicago. 255 00:21:38.960 --> 00:21:43.660 That there was prejudice and all that kind of thing. 256 00:21:43.660 --> 00:21:45.740 And I contend that it was. 257 00:21:46.020 --> 00:21:49.520 Because I just left Tennessee. I left Tennessee during 45. 258 00:21:49.960 --> 00:21:51.380 It was brought up down there. 259 00:21:51.480 --> 00:21:55.800 Nobody meant to be segregated against by white folks. 260 00:21:56.280 --> 00:22:01.140 And going to other bathrooms and going behind to get some lunch and all that kind of thing. 261 00:22:01.140 --> 00:22:02.740 Couldn't come in to eat. 262 00:22:03.080 --> 00:22:06.260 So it was a kind of thing that even if you couldn't see it. 263 00:22:06.260 --> 00:22:07.900 You could smell it. 264 00:22:08.560 --> 00:22:10.940 And you could see some of it right here. 265 00:22:10.940 --> 00:22:13.940 So when I was one of the ministers to answer your question. 266 00:22:15.080 --> 00:22:17.280 Who said come. 267 00:22:17.900 --> 00:22:20.180 Naturally there was hostility. 268 00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:22.560 There was resentment. 269 00:22:24.180 --> 00:22:28.180 And it was that kind of thing. 270 00:22:29.400 --> 00:22:32.060 But isn't it a marvelous thing. 271 00:22:33.260 --> 00:22:35.940 That after years of generation. 272 00:22:36.920 --> 00:22:39.060 Here come the sun. 273 00:22:39.060 --> 00:22:40.100 Along. 274 00:22:40.540 --> 00:22:41.640 We the best of friends. 275 00:22:43.640 --> 00:22:44.700 The best of friends. 276 00:22:45.220 --> 00:22:47.960 It just shows what can happen in the providence of God. 277 00:22:48.060 --> 00:22:49.200 In God's grace. 278 00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:50.560 How it can. 279 00:22:51.280 --> 00:22:54.940 And it is God's grace that I don't hold against the sun. 280 00:22:57.000 --> 00:22:59.300 The tension and the problem. 281 00:22:59.820 --> 00:23:01.340 That the father and I had. 282 00:23:01.500 --> 00:23:02.700 This is a different time. 283 00:23:03.540 --> 00:23:04.300 A different age. 284 00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:05.660 Different circumstances. 285 00:23:07.780 --> 00:23:09.600 And I started to say I'm a Christian. 286 00:23:09.880 --> 00:23:10.520 Which I am. 287 00:23:10.580 --> 00:23:11.900 But people don't understand that. 288 00:23:12.160 --> 00:23:14.660 But it is God's grace that will allow me to. 289 00:23:16.020 --> 00:23:17.980 Rise above certain things. 290 00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:19.780 How can I go around with hatred. 291 00:23:19.940 --> 00:23:21.080 I call myself a preacher. 292 00:23:22.020 --> 00:23:23.420 And taking out on the sun. 293 00:23:24.300 --> 00:23:25.420 What happened back there. 294 00:23:26.100 --> 00:23:28.320 And I saw an old man coming from it at that time. 295 00:23:28.620 --> 00:23:29.860 And do you not know. 296 00:23:29.960 --> 00:23:31.100 That even then. 297 00:23:31.400 --> 00:23:33.240 I had the greatest of respect. 298 00:23:35.640 --> 00:23:36.240 From him. 299 00:23:37.640 --> 00:23:38.440 He gave me. 300 00:23:38.660 --> 00:23:40.280 And I walk in and so forth. 301 00:23:40.860 --> 00:23:42.600 He operated in a different kind of way. 302 00:23:42.780 --> 00:23:44.240 Even though we disagreed. 303 00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:45.760 You know. 304 00:23:45.920 --> 00:23:46.540 Other fellows were. 305 00:23:47.220 --> 00:23:48.720 Whatever you know what I mean. 306 00:23:49.880 --> 00:23:51.000 That kind of thing. 307 00:23:51.640 --> 00:23:54.360 So that was a relationship. 308 00:23:55.200 --> 00:23:56.680 And the relationship today. 309 00:23:58.280 --> 00:23:59.560 It's simply beautiful. 310 00:23:59.740 --> 00:24:02.180 I think he's done a marvelous job. 311 00:24:02.180 --> 00:24:04.400 Now on Sunday in the pulpit. 312 00:24:04.560 --> 00:24:06.540 Will you encourage your. 313 00:24:06.840 --> 00:24:09.240 No I've already said what I had to say. 314 00:24:09.400 --> 00:24:10.340 I don't have to tell them anymore. 315 00:24:10.740 --> 00:24:11.480 And so forth. 316 00:24:11.660 --> 00:24:12.460 So I won't be. 317 00:24:13.460 --> 00:24:14.260 Just about. 318 00:24:14.360 --> 00:24:15.800 You know if you all know where I stand. 319 00:24:15.980 --> 00:24:16.900 They know where I stand. 320 00:24:17.440 --> 00:24:18.960 So just go on and do likewise. 321 00:24:21.780 --> 00:24:22.820 And keep on standing. 322 00:24:22.860 --> 00:24:24.840 I'm a preacher about Jesus' name. 323 00:24:25.500 --> 00:24:25.900 You know. 324 00:24:27.420 --> 00:24:29.200 Yeah the job is already done. 325 00:24:29.420 --> 00:24:30.320 I would hope so. 326 00:24:30.320 --> 00:24:30.960 Anyway. 327 00:24:32.820 --> 00:24:32.820 328 00:24:33.300 --> 00:24:34.400 See I'm not a politician. 329 00:24:37.180 --> 00:24:38.360 I'm a preacher. 330 00:24:39.740 --> 00:24:40.720 And there is a different. 331 00:24:40.960 --> 00:24:44.020 I know some of my politics like I know some business. 332 00:24:44.640 --> 00:24:48.460 But number one I am a preacher. 333 00:24:51.200 --> 00:24:52.320 Joe was here the other day. 334 00:24:53.120 --> 00:24:53.920 Made his announcement. 335 00:24:54.300 --> 00:24:55.860 The opponent who's running. 336 00:24:57.500 --> 00:24:58.640 And it's a strange thing. 337 00:24:58.700 --> 00:24:59.460 And people have forgotten. 338 00:24:59.460 --> 00:25:01.320 But Daly came. 339 00:25:01.940 --> 00:25:04.700 Made an announcement here when I was not supporting him. 340 00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:07.360 And it was understood. 341 00:25:08.120 --> 00:25:10.340 And he took it in the best of light. 342 00:25:10.520 --> 00:25:11.860 The Reverend Evans was not supporting me. 343 00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:13.180 He put on a hard hat over somebody. 344 00:25:14.660 --> 00:25:15.840 And you keep on stabbing. 345 00:25:16.820 --> 00:25:18.720 They make no bones about it. 346 00:25:19.460 --> 00:25:20.560 So Joe was here the other Sunday. 347 00:25:20.620 --> 00:25:21.620 He knew that I'm not. 348 00:25:23.380 --> 00:25:25.860 If you play it up here not down here. 349 00:25:25.860 --> 00:25:29.780 And it is just a much better game as far as I'm concerned. 350 00:25:30.380 --> 00:25:34.560 And I must always maintain some principles. 351 00:25:35.300 --> 00:25:35.920 Some ethics. 352 00:25:37.360 --> 00:25:40.100 Mr. Bowen could you ask one question of the minister. 353 00:25:40.520 --> 00:25:43.220 Just what he thinks this is going to be like on election day. 354 00:25:43.300 --> 00:25:44.680 How Daly will do in this area. 355 00:25:45.720 --> 00:25:46.140 Okay. 356 00:25:47.920 --> 00:25:52.460 Pastor what's your opinion of how the turnout is going to be. 357 00:25:52.560 --> 00:25:53.900 And what do you think that the mayor will. 358 00:25:53.900 --> 00:25:57.380 What kind of percentages of mayor will come out with out of our community. 359 00:25:58.960 --> 00:26:01.840 I think he did about 35. 360 00:26:02.780 --> 00:26:04.980 Or something like that of the voters that voted. 361 00:26:06.300 --> 00:26:10.160 35% of the blacks went for him. 362 00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:12.280 I don't think it will be any less. 363 00:26:14.020 --> 00:26:15.580 I think it will be very, very good. 364 00:26:17.120 --> 00:26:18.160 Very good. 365 00:26:20.160 --> 00:26:23.280 And I think they're going to go to the polls this time. 366 00:26:24.560 --> 00:26:27.160 And I think they're going to go to the polls this time. 367 00:26:29.300 --> 00:26:29.300 368 00:26:29.340 --> 00:26:29.820 Okay. 369 00:26:31.580 --> 00:26:32.280 What about the politician. 370 00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:35.360 Yeah I would say that it is. 371 00:26:36.180 --> 00:26:38.000 This is a church town. 372 00:26:38.760 --> 00:26:41.760 And this is a good town for politicians. 373 00:26:43.940 --> 00:26:45.460 All the way in the new way. 374 00:26:45.460 --> 00:26:46.360 That's right. 375 00:26:47.080 --> 00:26:47.940 It's just a good town. 376 00:26:48.280 --> 00:26:49.940 Well naturally for me to say it. 377 00:26:49.980 --> 00:26:52.040 I guess you go to New York they say the same thing. 378 00:26:52.140 --> 00:26:55.240 How you go to Jacksonville Mississippi they say the same thing. 379 00:26:55.480 --> 00:26:57.140 But that is the way that I feel about it. 380 00:26:57.140 --> 00:26:58.980 What other ministers have you interviewed? 381 00:26:59.820 --> 00:27:00.820 We talked to. 382 00:27:00.940 --> 00:27:03.420 I set up Buzzio on the west side. 383 00:27:03.520 --> 00:27:05.980 Or Williams on the west side. 384 00:27:06.600 --> 00:27:09.160 He or Shelvin whichever one was in. 385 00:27:09.520 --> 00:27:12.220 Because I know they're going to go by my house now. 386 00:27:12.500 --> 00:27:12.940 Oh. 387 00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:13.760 Got an eye. 388 00:27:13.760 --> 00:27:14.880 Bad eye. 389 00:27:15.100 --> 00:27:15.460 Is that him? 390 00:27:16.160 --> 00:27:16.520 No no. 391 00:27:16.740 --> 00:27:17.220 Okay. 392 00:27:17.800 --> 00:27:18.360 All right. 393 00:27:18.860 --> 00:27:20.600 They're having a breakfast or something. 394 00:27:20.820 --> 00:27:22.960 I think they're going to start to work on getting it. 395 00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:23.440 Okay. 396 00:27:24.060 --> 00:27:25.580 I need a lease of $1,000. 397 00:27:27.360 --> 00:27:29.120 Because they want to do more than that. 398 00:27:30.380 --> 00:27:31.100 On a man's day? 399 00:27:32.220 --> 00:27:33.180 All right. 400 00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:37.660 Was there anything I should know about from that first long phone call back to the office? 401 00:27:38.060 --> 00:27:38.380 Yeah. 402 00:27:49.940 --> 00:27:50.380 Okay. 403 00:27:50.580 --> 00:27:50.580 404 00:27:50.580 --> 00:27:51.380 You can come on up. 405 00:28:00.900 --> 00:28:01.340 Okay. 406 00:28:01.420 --> 00:28:02.740 When you're ready. 407 00:28:21.380 --> 00:28:28.200 And you're going to close? 408 00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:32.720 409 00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:32.720 410 00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:32.720 411 00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:32.720 412 00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:32.720 413 00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:40.240 Turn the power off now. 414 00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:42.520 Road does not close. 415 00:28:42.540 --> 00:29:02.700 Go minutes other than so silent and 416 00:29:06.820 --> 00:29:08.520 Keep going.