WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.500 --> 00:00:06.780 First of all, in the beginning, we did not have take-up magazines. 2 00:00:07.420 --> 00:00:08.460 You ran it into a basket. 3 00:00:08.700 --> 00:00:12.380 A box with a foot on a lever. 4 00:00:13.060 --> 00:00:17.100 Shorty took a job on the division street one night. 5 00:00:18.060 --> 00:00:21.080 A kid was going, an operator was going out. 6 00:00:21.480 --> 00:00:26.460 He was grinding away and he had his foot on the box on the right, but his thumb came up this way. 7 00:00:26.460 --> 00:00:30.600 The manager was sitting down there and his thumb was coming up. 8 00:00:31.440 --> 00:00:32.240 He screamed. 9 00:00:37.740 --> 00:00:41.920 Von Sternberg was not Von Sternberg at all. His name was Stern and he came from Brooklyn. 10 00:00:43.640 --> 00:00:47.460 Von Sternberg, he started out as a projectionist. 11 00:00:48.580 --> 00:00:55.720 He was saying the same thing. He said when he was able to put out the fire on the films, he knew he was a good projectionist. 12 00:00:55.720 --> 00:00:57.300 You know, I never had a fire. 13 00:00:58.080 --> 00:01:01.140 Well, he said they went, they occurred all the time. Is that correct or not? 14 00:01:01.220 --> 00:01:02.800 Yeah, they had fires all the time. 15 00:01:03.420 --> 00:01:05.140 I never blow the front out of the theater. 16 00:01:06.160 --> 00:01:10.140 Here's something that I'm proud of. 17 00:01:11.800 --> 00:01:17.260 This is one of the first sound projects, sound on film, you know. 18 00:01:18.120 --> 00:01:19.400 Single system, they call it. 19 00:01:19.480 --> 00:01:22.560 This is Western Electric. It got all the trimmings for here. 20 00:01:23.540 --> 00:01:26.160 We got a tech on here. 21 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:31.580 I have the same kind of a camera on the road for MGM. 22 00:01:32.840 --> 00:01:36.120 It's the same camera, just a different, this is a spare. 23 00:01:40.500 --> 00:01:44.660 And you couldn't get in touch with Andrew Shustick, because where's that Shustick? 24 00:01:45.520 --> 00:01:46.360 Right here. 25 00:01:46.360 --> 00:01:55.060 We had more, we in Chicago created more cameras than anybody. At one time... 26 00:01:55.060 --> 00:01:59.660 Are we ever getting this or not? I hope, you know. Go ahead. You created more cameras? 27 00:01:59.700 --> 00:02:04.360 We created more original cameras in Chicago than they did anywhere else. 28 00:02:05.240 --> 00:02:15.080 When they started going to the West Coast, you know, to make pictures, they were looking for Path A professional cameras, you know, those things with the two magazines on top. 29 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:22.900 And that was the thing. And then Brown Hollow came out with their camera. 30 00:02:23.600 --> 00:02:29.920 And it was so far superior, not the size of that, you know, wooden box with magazines in it. 31 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:37.080 And this was Andrew Shustick. He was a Selig man. Selig built his own cameras. I mean, Shustick built the cameras. 32 00:02:37.820 --> 00:02:44.440 And this is as good as anything modern today. I mean, this is the first dissolving shutter. 33 00:02:44.440 --> 00:02:46.940 They could put this at two, three, four... 34 00:02:46.940 --> 00:02:51.360 Tell me more about Shustick, because he came, he used the Lumiere patents. 35 00:02:51.920 --> 00:02:52.340 Oh, did he? 36 00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:54.680 To come out with his first stuff. 37 00:02:55.040 --> 00:02:58.260 Well, this is one of his better cameras, of course. 38 00:02:59.240 --> 00:03:02.280 And he made stuff exclusively for Selig, if I remember correctly. 39 00:03:03.040 --> 00:03:03.040 40 00:03:03.040 --> 00:03:04.960 And his name was Shustick. Shustick. 41 00:03:05.320 --> 00:03:06.400 Andrew Shustick, yeah. 42 00:03:06.480 --> 00:03:08.560 I just wrote about it. I didn't mean to discuss it. 43 00:03:08.580 --> 00:03:13.200 He and I had quite a time together. You know, I bought all the old Shustick cameras. 44 00:03:13.200 --> 00:03:15.440 When was that? Oh, you did? When was this? 45 00:03:16.120 --> 00:03:18.280 No, not the Shustick cameras. I bought the printers. 46 00:03:18.620 --> 00:03:18.940 Oh, yeah. 47 00:03:19.080 --> 00:03:22.080 In those days, the printer was something to... 48 00:03:22.080 --> 00:03:26.740 And he built the printers. And I bought 10 or 12 of them when they went out of business. 49 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:31.380 They were on Peck Court. Where was Peck Court? You remember Peck Court in Chicago? 50 00:03:31.500 --> 00:03:31.800 Yeah. 51 00:03:32.060 --> 00:03:34.420 They had a shop. Shustick built the material. 52 00:03:34.520 --> 00:03:40.080 I don't remember. Bell and Howell was on Illinois Street. What's that? 53 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:43.080 That's your model number. It's in early... 54 00:03:44.300 --> 00:03:46.080 S-C-H-U-S-T-E-K. 55 00:03:48.600 --> 00:03:49.200 Oh, boy. 56 00:03:50.660 --> 00:03:56.240 And the Selig Tribune had those cameras. They were a great camera. 57 00:03:57.560 --> 00:04:01.080 And they focused from here. And they... 58 00:04:02.060 --> 00:04:06.860 You set these buttons, you could go to two, three, or four foot dissolve. 59 00:04:06.860 --> 00:04:09.340 You could do a four foot dissolve right in the camera. 60 00:04:09.520 --> 00:04:09.740 Right. 61 00:04:09.740 --> 00:04:10.860 What, would you roll it back? 62 00:04:11.040 --> 00:04:12.180 Yeah, you had to roll it back. 63 00:04:12.180 --> 00:04:13.180 You would roll it back and then you'd be dissolved. 64 00:04:13.420 --> 00:04:18.080 This would come through three or four foot and then this brake would settle and stop you. 65 00:04:18.220 --> 00:04:20.220 What about an iris down? You could do your iris down. 66 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:22.120 We used to have an iris on the front. 67 00:04:22.300 --> 00:04:22.700 Right. 68 00:04:24.640 --> 00:04:27.900 But then you'd have to back up, count, whatever you did. 69 00:04:27.940 --> 00:04:28.260 Right. 70 00:04:28.260 --> 00:04:36.360 And sometimes you'd fade out and you'd have maybe 90 foot and you'd have to take it out of the camera. 71 00:04:36.360 --> 00:04:39.080 You'd have to count exactly what you had. 72 00:04:39.780 --> 00:04:39.780 73 00:04:39.780 --> 00:04:47.100 And then take it out and you take the first...the first...when you began you made the frame, you know. 74 00:04:47.620 --> 00:04:52.400 You outlined the frame and then you'd wind it back to that and then you'd put it in the camera and do it all over again. 75 00:04:52.780 --> 00:04:53.520 Amazing, yeah. 76 00:04:54.220 --> 00:04:58.220 We had trouble. Now it's all mechanical. It's all done with spinning. 77 00:04:58.600 --> 00:05:02.740 Sure, yeah. That's fantastic. I bet that's the only one remaining, huh? 78 00:05:03.200 --> 00:05:03.980 I think it is. 79 00:05:04.020 --> 00:05:05.200 Probably the only one. 80 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:10.360 And these were the old...are these the old rewinds or are these...no, this is old. 81 00:05:11.140 --> 00:05:11.620 That's the same. 82 00:05:11.620 --> 00:05:13.040 No, but this is an old... 83 00:05:13.040 --> 00:05:14.900 Yeah, that's the same rewind. 84 00:05:16.840 --> 00:05:17.320 I have pictures of them. 85 00:05:17.320 --> 00:05:20.420 I guess these are old. Here's one of the old mics. 86 00:05:21.800 --> 00:05:23.280 That was with the Ankle camera. 87 00:05:25.280 --> 00:05:25.920 Isn't that wonderful? 88 00:05:26.380 --> 00:05:33.540 But this...this was built by Sparnivou. He was the first good mechanic, but he was an ace. 89 00:05:33.540 --> 00:05:34.120 Mm-hmm. 90 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:37.120 I think Fox spend the...given the money. 91 00:05:38.540 --> 00:05:39.580 It's a nice face. 92 00:05:40.080 --> 00:05:40.880 Just a minute. 93 00:05:43.300 --> 00:05:45.120 Here's the...the DeVry projector. 94 00:05:46.440 --> 00:05:46.780 Horrible. 95 00:05:47.320 --> 00:05:49.320 And Herman DeVry was another pioneer. 96 00:05:49.780 --> 00:05:51.120 And he was located... 97 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:53.160 Oh, he's on Welles Lake. 98 00:05:53.260 --> 00:05:54.480 Welles Lake, yeah. 99 00:05:55.040 --> 00:05:56.080 Oh, look at that. 100 00:05:59.120 --> 00:06:00.540 Oh, look at that. 101 00:06:00.700 --> 00:06:01.900 You haven't seen one like that? 102 00:06:02.020 --> 00:06:02.300 No. 103 00:06:02.780 --> 00:06:07.500 Well, that was a more...more recent model. He had made some previous to that. 104 00:06:08.200 --> 00:06:10.600 But the principle of the thing was the same. 105 00:06:10.900 --> 00:06:11.440 I don't know. 106 00:06:11.840 --> 00:06:12.280 Do I? 107 00:06:12.480 --> 00:06:13.740 I don't know how old it is. 108 00:06:16.100 --> 00:06:16.720 Oh, that's the one. 109 00:06:16.960 --> 00:06:17.860 I put this out there. 110 00:06:17.860 --> 00:06:20.940 What do you think, Ed? What do you think how...on the age of... 111 00:06:20.940 --> 00:06:21.740 1915. 112 00:06:22.360 --> 00:06:22.800 1915. 113 00:06:26.300 --> 00:06:27.920 Did you talk about this camera? 114 00:06:28.280 --> 00:06:29.620 I told him I had one. 115 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:31.500 That was my first IMO. 116 00:06:32.400 --> 00:06:35.620 That's the first kind, these are all... 117 00:06:35.620 --> 00:06:39.500 I'll tell you, I can put you in touch with somebody who is most interested in the West Coast. 118 00:06:40.500 --> 00:06:44.380 If you need the tax write-offs or anything else. 119 00:06:45.340 --> 00:06:45.880 I don't. 120 00:06:47.200 --> 00:06:50.020 It's a Camp Niver on the West Coast, and I'll give you his address. 121 00:06:50.340 --> 00:06:51.540 No, we don't want to part with him. 122 00:06:51.540 --> 00:06:53.260 I wouldn't part with him, no. I'm with you. 123 00:06:53.300 --> 00:06:56.080 But I'm just saying, he is the one that's done so much with museums. 124 00:06:57.380 --> 00:06:58.140 You know, he's very good. 125 00:06:58.440 --> 00:07:00.960 I've got a beautiful museum. 126 00:07:00.960 --> 00:07:02.520 And campus helped them. 127 00:07:02.960 --> 00:07:02.960 128 00:07:03.400 --> 00:07:03.480 Yeah. 129 00:07:03.480 --> 00:07:04.280 Niver's helped them. 130 00:07:04.360 --> 00:07:05.740 I never joined the ASD. 131 00:07:05.760 --> 00:07:08.960 They gave me an application for $10 for admission. 132 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:12.180 That's $2,500 to get in. 133 00:07:12.540 --> 00:07:13.500 Oh, I'd better go. 134 00:07:14.500 --> 00:07:18.860 This is a record cutter. 135 00:07:21.420 --> 00:07:22.360 Have you got that, Jim? 136 00:07:22.360 --> 00:07:23.280 Yeah, the record cutter. 137 00:07:23.440 --> 00:07:23.960 It's all there. 138 00:07:24.080 --> 00:07:24.400 It works. 139 00:07:25.080 --> 00:07:26.560 I've cut records with it. 140 00:07:26.680 --> 00:07:27.660 It's not too good. 141 00:07:28.660 --> 00:07:33.020 They're really difficult to adjust, because they cut out a shaving if you do. 142 00:07:33.900 --> 00:07:35.620 It's pretty heavy to get out there. 143 00:07:36.620 --> 00:07:39.580 This was a type of magazine they had in the old days. 144 00:07:40.320 --> 00:07:43.400 That's what we never got over a 200-footer old Magator. 145 00:07:44.340 --> 00:07:45.100 You never did? 146 00:07:45.820 --> 00:07:45.820 147 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:47.920 Well, in those days. 148 00:07:48.800 --> 00:07:50.460 We're lucky to get a 200-footer. 149 00:07:50.460 --> 00:07:52.240 This has to be unscrewed, you know. 150 00:07:52.640 --> 00:07:54.720 Did you talk at all about the sound of the camera? 151 00:07:54.720 --> 00:07:55.800 This was the way it was. 152 00:07:55.800 --> 00:07:56.120 Here it is. 153 00:07:56.260 --> 00:07:56.640 That's how they... 154 00:07:56.640 --> 00:07:57.620 Did you talk to him? 155 00:07:57.740 --> 00:07:57.960 Yeah. 156 00:07:59.260 --> 00:08:03.140 That's why what I have seen is on cores like this. 157 00:08:03.900 --> 00:08:03.900 158 00:08:04.680 --> 00:08:04.680 159 00:08:04.820 --> 00:08:05.520 You know. 160 00:08:06.440 --> 00:08:08.180 Yeah, well, we... 161 00:08:08.180 --> 00:08:08.960 No, I never... 162 00:08:08.960 --> 00:08:10.140 We'd get through. 163 00:08:10.140 --> 00:08:14.180 They'd get through the scene, and then we'd say, come on. 164 00:08:14.620 --> 00:08:16.840 You forgot to put the cover on. 165 00:08:17.600 --> 00:08:18.860 We'd say, come on. 166 00:08:18.980 --> 00:08:20.520 And we'd hand them a cover. 167 00:08:20.900 --> 00:08:21.760 And they'd die. 168 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:25.760 Quick, grab the camera and run into the die-cone. 169 00:08:28.080 --> 00:08:30.160 Lindbergh did career work for Dad. 170 00:08:30.860 --> 00:08:33.480 They've been around, but forget to put the cover on, too. 171 00:08:42.700 --> 00:08:44.760 These are the pictures, aren't they? 172 00:08:47.160 --> 00:08:48.960 There's Edward Arnold there, right? 173 00:08:49.980 --> 00:08:49.980 174 00:08:50.560 --> 00:08:52.820 That is what I would be looking for. 175 00:08:53.380 --> 00:08:53.380 176 00:08:53.520 --> 00:08:54.780 That's A, studio. 177 00:08:55.260 --> 00:08:57.400 No, this is the B studio. 178 00:08:57.500 --> 00:08:58.020 Is that B? 179 00:08:58.020 --> 00:09:02.000 This is Emerald Film Company on Welles Street. 180 00:09:02.180 --> 00:09:03.720 I think it was Welles or LaSalle. 181 00:09:04.280 --> 00:09:07.520 It was a car barn, and they made a studio out of it. 182 00:09:08.040 --> 00:09:08.600 Where was it? 183 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:11.220 Emerald Film Company, I don't remember. 184 00:09:11.280 --> 00:09:13.200 What was the time of that Emerald? 185 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:15.120 That was about 1916. 186 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:21.960 He tried to imitate the chaplain, you know, in Bading Beauty. 187 00:09:22.780 --> 00:09:24.120 Irish is his name. 188 00:09:28.540 --> 00:09:30.580 Oh, there they have it in common. 189 00:09:33.220 --> 00:09:38.140 If I could get a... 190 00:09:38.140 --> 00:09:41.800 ...for that, on the chapter for... 191 00:09:41.800 --> 00:09:45.780 ...on Mr. David's chapter in the book or not, is that possible? 192 00:09:47.540 --> 00:09:49.800 Grant, can you have a copy? 193 00:09:49.940 --> 00:09:50.200 I don't care. 194 00:09:50.780 --> 00:09:51.500 We can drop it. 195 00:09:51.720 --> 00:09:54.380 Just a photocopy, and then you'll get all that back. 196 00:09:55.480 --> 00:09:56.860 That's what I need, this permission. 197 00:09:58.240 --> 00:09:59.100 That's magnificent. 198 00:09:59.220 --> 00:10:01.040 Do you have any more like that? 199 00:10:02.000 --> 00:10:03.580 I know, because I don't need it. 200 00:10:04.340 --> 00:10:05.740 No, that's it. 201 00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:09.100 Can you tell me about this, Mr. Dave? 202 00:10:09.280 --> 00:10:11.000 This picture is where now? 203 00:10:11.800 --> 00:10:12.240 Studio? 204 00:10:14.020 --> 00:10:16.660 This one, this is not the S&A. 205 00:10:16.820 --> 00:10:17.860 Oh, I didn't think so. 206 00:10:18.140 --> 00:10:20.100 This is a... it might be Selig. 207 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:21.560 They're running on tracks. 208 00:10:21.900 --> 00:10:22.800 See the... 209 00:10:24.860 --> 00:10:26.100 Let's see if I can find one. 210 00:10:26.100 --> 00:10:27.040 Could that be Selig? 211 00:10:27.460 --> 00:10:28.360 Could be Selig. 212 00:10:29.880 --> 00:10:31.640 Did you know Russ Stewart? 213 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:32.640 He died recently. 214 00:10:33.100 --> 00:10:33.480 No. 215 00:10:34.820 --> 00:10:37.400 He was the head of the field. 216 00:10:38.200 --> 00:10:38.720 Cooper Hewitt. 217 00:10:39.520 --> 00:10:45.760 Yeah, those are Cooper Hewitt's lists, and then we'd break up the thing with arc lights. 218 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:48.020 Now, what were these rails? 219 00:10:48.020 --> 00:10:49.660 They were sliding on rails. 220 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:50.740 The Cooper Hewitts? 221 00:10:50.820 --> 00:10:51.340 Yeah. 222 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:53.480 The mine at Ebony didn't. 223 00:10:53.640 --> 00:10:54.660 They were permanent. 224 00:10:55.660 --> 00:10:57.180 I thought we had some of them. 225 00:11:02.480 --> 00:11:04.960 There's more either that go through my file. 226 00:11:05.560 --> 00:11:06.020 Should I? 227 00:11:06.060 --> 00:11:06.440 Sure. 228 00:11:08.720 --> 00:11:10.020 Could you use that? 229 00:11:12.160 --> 00:11:15.360 I think this is... these are from Birth of a Nation, but I'm not sure I could... 230 00:11:15.360 --> 00:11:16.560 Well, I'm sure they are. 231 00:11:16.920 --> 00:11:18.980 They're supposed to have taken some of it in Evanston. 232 00:11:19.240 --> 00:11:20.060 I don't know whether that's... 233 00:11:20.060 --> 00:11:20.740 Oh, here we go. 234 00:11:20.880 --> 00:11:21.640 Here we go. 235 00:11:22.260 --> 00:11:23.200 This is Selig. 236 00:11:23.660 --> 00:11:24.160 That's Selig, yeah. 237 00:11:24.160 --> 00:11:24.720 That is Selig. 238 00:11:25.640 --> 00:11:25.900 Yeah. 239 00:11:26.620 --> 00:11:27.440 I pulled these out. 240 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:28.980 Here's an old camera. 241 00:11:29.040 --> 00:11:30.040 These are cameras that Grant and I had... 242 00:11:30.040 --> 00:11:33.620 And here's Dave Morgan and the Purdy in Africa. 243 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:37.000 Well, when I read about that one, that was a real... 244 00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:38.120 Well, that was a real dud. 245 00:11:40.560 --> 00:11:41.080 Yeah. 246 00:11:41.460 --> 00:11:42.740 Hargan and the Purdy. 247 00:11:44.400 --> 00:11:44.920 Yeah. 248 00:11:48.220 --> 00:11:50.560 I thought I had some pictures of the obvious. 249 00:11:52.040 --> 00:11:54.420 I don't remember you identifying any of the obvious. 250 00:11:54.700 --> 00:11:57.260 Here's a camera with the BiPAC, remember? 251 00:12:00.460 --> 00:12:02.060 Now, this is the Purdy, isn't it? 252 00:12:02.080 --> 00:12:04.020 No, that's Delvin Wyckoff. 253 00:12:04.160 --> 00:12:05.260 He's a West Coast proud. 254 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:05.920 West Coast. 255 00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:07.920 The Purdy doesn't... 256 00:12:07.920 --> 00:12:08.920 It does look something like... 257 00:12:09.480 --> 00:12:10.240 It's not good. 258 00:12:12.940 --> 00:12:14.180 Here's another one of those. 259 00:12:14.420 --> 00:12:15.760 These are all Ebony. 260 00:12:15.980 --> 00:12:18.720 This is where we had the combination. 261 00:12:19.680 --> 00:12:20.440 The Nigger and the White. 262 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:22.420 It was the funniest thing you ever saw. 263 00:12:25.660 --> 00:12:27.080 Oh, this is fantastic. 264 00:12:27.080 --> 00:12:27.560 Here's the... 265 00:12:28.880 --> 00:12:31.400 Here's the crew of Ebony. 266 00:12:31.520 --> 00:12:33.460 And this is the guy I told you about. 267 00:12:36.600 --> 00:12:37.980 Little Legless Wonder. 268 00:12:38.540 --> 00:12:39.020 Oh, was he? 269 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:40.560 He's the writer. 270 00:12:41.460 --> 00:12:41.460 271 00:12:44.380 --> 00:12:45.480 And here's one of the... 272 00:12:45.480 --> 00:12:47.920 We used to build these sets as we went along. 273 00:12:50.860 --> 00:12:51.600 This is it, Ebony. 274 00:12:52.720 --> 00:12:58.160 This guy, Tischner, was the head of the trust company. 275 00:12:58.680 --> 00:13:00.560 And this was a relative of his. 276 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:04.660 And they sent him out to put him on the payroll. 277 00:13:04.660 --> 00:13:06.640 And that time they told him, 278 00:13:06.920 --> 00:13:08.280 he was mad that Helen was coming. 279 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:11.780 This is an outdoor studio we built in Fond du Lac. 280 00:13:14.400 --> 00:13:15.760 This is where Ebony got to see that. 281 00:13:16.340 --> 00:13:16.340 282 00:13:17.700 --> 00:13:19.660 Here's the cast of Ebony. 283 00:13:22.140 --> 00:13:23.060 Oh, that's great. 284 00:13:25.260 --> 00:13:26.480 I don't know what this was. 285 00:13:27.560 --> 00:13:29.980 Well, this is an American Cinematograph camera. 286 00:13:30.140 --> 00:13:31.120 It was my father-in-law. 287 00:13:31.120 --> 00:13:35.560 But that was another camera company. 288 00:13:39.680 --> 00:13:40.120 Vesperian... 289 00:13:40.120 --> 00:13:41.580 Captain Banning, I think his name was. 290 00:13:41.580 --> 00:13:43.880 Wait a minute, this is still Ebony, though, here. 291 00:13:43.920 --> 00:13:45.400 No, that's still Ebony. 292 00:13:46.420 --> 00:13:48.420 I made this picture for him, I guess. 293 00:13:48.880 --> 00:13:49.620 Now, where was this? 294 00:13:49.700 --> 00:13:52.000 Is this a studio over on California? 295 00:13:52.040 --> 00:13:53.000 Yeah, California. 296 00:13:53.220 --> 00:13:55.160 See, we had a bank of studio light. 297 00:13:55.360 --> 00:13:55.800 I see this. 298 00:13:56.000 --> 00:13:58.580 And a bank of Cooper U.S. here. 299 00:13:59.080 --> 00:14:00.820 And you see some arc lights somewhere. 300 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:03.160 We had about four arcs. 301 00:14:03.160 --> 00:14:05.040 We could offset the light with those things, 302 00:14:05.080 --> 00:14:06.500 and we got some beautiful effects. 303 00:14:10.300 --> 00:14:11.260 That is just... 304 00:14:12.300 --> 00:14:14.060 This looks great here. 305 00:14:16.820 --> 00:14:18.080 Do we remember any of them? 306 00:14:18.100 --> 00:14:18.960 What about the mummy? 307 00:14:20.060 --> 00:14:21.420 Mercy the Mummy Mumbo? 308 00:14:21.640 --> 00:14:23.380 Yeah, Mercy the Mummy Mumbo. 309 00:14:24.260 --> 00:14:27.100 If we could only get a frame by frame on that, wouldn't it? 310 00:14:27.860 --> 00:14:28.680 Before it goes. 311 00:14:28.680 --> 00:14:29.540 Here's that. 312 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:33.300 We built all the sets ourselves, you know. 313 00:14:34.300 --> 00:14:36.960 Now, Mercy the Mummy Mumbo was the... 314 00:14:36.960 --> 00:14:40.740 where they had the Orientals and the Blacks together, right? 315 00:14:40.780 --> 00:14:42.380 No, they were all Blacks. 316 00:14:42.520 --> 00:14:45.340 Yeah, but they're all Blacks, but they're playing Orientals here. 317 00:14:46.040 --> 00:14:47.360 Oh, this is a good one, too. 318 00:14:47.780 --> 00:14:49.020 A Black Sherlock Holmes. 319 00:14:49.540 --> 00:14:50.420 Yeah, that's a good one. 320 00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:51.620 Do you have that on film? 321 00:14:51.700 --> 00:14:52.400 Yeah, sure. 322 00:14:53.360 --> 00:14:54.880 These are what I wanted to ask you. 323 00:14:54.900 --> 00:14:56.020 How to... 324 00:14:56.020 --> 00:14:57.340 Well, I want... 325 00:14:57.340 --> 00:14:59.980 Now, if you tell me what you want me to do, 326 00:15:00.060 --> 00:15:01.180 then I will be glad to do it. 327 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:03.420 In other words, if you want me to contact anybody, I will. 328 00:15:03.580 --> 00:15:04.660 Otherwise, I won't. 329 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:07.940 We got to get these on a safe film. 330 00:15:08.360 --> 00:15:10.020 They should be... 331 00:15:10.960 --> 00:15:11.860 popping in the future. 332 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:13.200 Oh, in the house. 333 00:15:13.680 --> 00:15:16.100 Look at the bunch of pictures they gave us. 334 00:15:16.760 --> 00:15:19.920 You know, we moved out of the home on both sides. 335 00:15:20.300 --> 00:15:22.520 And I didn't even show up. 336 00:15:22.520 --> 00:15:25.540 We had to take our head with over, and we got all this junk on the floor. 337 00:15:25.800 --> 00:15:27.440 Here's one. Here's the mummy. 338 00:15:27.740 --> 00:15:28.940 We had tons of stuff. 339 00:15:29.520 --> 00:15:31.040 This looks like it's probably in good shape. 340 00:15:31.400 --> 00:15:32.280 Yeah, it's in pretty good shape. 341 00:15:32.880 --> 00:15:34.580 It is in good shape. You stored them well. 342 00:15:34.880 --> 00:15:35.920 This basement is great for this. 343 00:15:35.920 --> 00:15:39.440 You know, a basement is great for this. 344 00:15:39.760 --> 00:15:40.760 I think... 345 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:42.980 What, is this one of them, or is this something else? 346 00:15:42.980 --> 00:15:44.400 Oh, this is another one, Dad. 347 00:15:44.460 --> 00:15:46.920 This is your reckless rover, the Chinese laundry. 348 00:15:47.620 --> 00:15:48.340 Yeah, that's the one. 349 00:15:48.340 --> 00:15:48.640 No. 350 00:15:49.020 --> 00:15:49.860 True comments. 351 00:15:50.540 --> 00:15:55.160 We asked the Chinese if we could use their entrance, and they said no. 352 00:15:59.060 --> 00:15:59.320 So... 353 00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:01.040 Dad also here, and other things, 354 00:16:01.180 --> 00:16:05.080 they have the last bit of motion picture film taken to Rudolph, Valentino. 355 00:16:05.160 --> 00:16:07.840 We went to the city, I came to New York where he died. 356 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:10.340 He's got the first pictures of the... 357 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:13.340 I went to Universal. I went to meet them. 358 00:16:14.300 --> 00:16:16.620 I had this picture, anybody ever made it. 359 00:16:16.620 --> 00:16:18.420 What did he have, pertinitis or something? 360 00:16:19.540 --> 00:16:19.540 361 00:16:22.700 --> 00:16:23.380 But... 362 00:16:23.380 --> 00:16:23.500 Yeah. 363 00:16:28.220 --> 00:16:31.620 This thing is really... 364 00:16:32.640 --> 00:16:33.620 Now, who did your... 365 00:16:34.980 --> 00:16:36.400 The promotion, would that... 366 00:16:36.400 --> 00:16:38.380 Do you know who would have done that? 367 00:16:38.440 --> 00:16:38.440 368 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:52.740 I'm a commercial film, it's an active motion picture company. 369 00:16:52.880 --> 00:16:53.420 Is it? 370 00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:55.540 I don't know. 371 00:16:56.280 --> 00:16:57.220 I'm a daring guy. 372 00:16:58.260 --> 00:16:59.320 Well, here's the Valentino. 373 00:17:00.860 --> 00:17:02.220 Yeah, that was it. 374 00:17:02.540 --> 00:17:04.100 That's the day we shot him. 375 00:17:04.320 --> 00:17:04.760 Is it? 376 00:17:05.120 --> 00:17:07.340 That's the last picture he ever took. 377 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:09.400 Here you go. 378 00:17:09.680 --> 00:17:11.080 Oh, that was all... 379 00:17:11.620 --> 00:17:12.860 This was one of my favorites. 380 00:17:12.860 --> 00:17:15.860 I just got a guy jumping out of a ninth story window. 381 00:17:16.760 --> 00:17:17.320 And he lived. 382 00:17:20.100 --> 00:17:23.860 I had some other nice shots that I was very proud of. 383 00:17:29.300 --> 00:17:31.840 Who can I have one here or... 384 00:17:31.840 --> 00:17:33.380 Oh, this one. 385 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:36.700 It's beginning to fall apart. 386 00:17:38.720 --> 00:17:40.720 And they stole that on me after I made that. 387 00:17:40.720 --> 00:17:41.640 I know they do that. 388 00:17:41.900 --> 00:17:46.280 This was the head thing when the crowd roars. 389 00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:50.880 And I made this out at Sportsman's Park at an auto race. 390 00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:55.520 That car landed just by me and this one came right down to my feet. 391 00:17:57.040 --> 00:18:01.680 Now, did you do... You did the one, the one that I have, Indianapolis... 392 00:18:01.680 --> 00:18:03.380 The first one in 1911, right? 393 00:18:04.940 --> 00:18:04.940 394 00:18:05.220 --> 00:18:06.040 That was on that. 395 00:18:06.040 --> 00:18:09.880 You know who's distributing that? 396 00:18:10.200 --> 00:18:12.060 The Black Hawk Films is distributing that. 397 00:18:12.060 --> 00:18:12.980 They still got it? 398 00:18:13.100 --> 00:18:14.020 They still have it. 399 00:18:16.220 --> 00:18:17.740 Oh, we got some close calls. 400 00:18:17.980 --> 00:18:21.180 I was loading the magazine down at the Long Island Railroad. 401 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:23.040 Outside the... 402 00:18:26.100 --> 00:18:27.880 Rod LaRock was another one. 403 00:18:27.880 --> 00:18:28.960 Did you know him there? 404 00:18:29.060 --> 00:18:29.600 Oh, wow. 405 00:18:34.900 --> 00:18:36.020 That's the... 406 00:18:36.020 --> 00:18:37.160 There's a lot around here. 407 00:18:37.980 --> 00:18:39.520 It would take time to go through them. 408 00:18:39.680 --> 00:18:42.940 Oh, yes it would. Let's not do that. 409 00:18:43.240 --> 00:18:44.440 You've got some beautiful shots. 410 00:18:44.600 --> 00:18:46.360 Are they labeled? Yeah, they are. 411 00:18:46.560 --> 00:18:48.700 Adventures of... See, here's Kathleen now. 412 00:18:48.780 --> 00:18:49.160 Oh, yeah. 413 00:18:49.240 --> 00:18:52.360 Now, were the early adventures done here of Kathleen? 414 00:18:52.380 --> 00:18:53.460 Yeah, nearly all of them. 415 00:18:53.560 --> 00:18:56.400 Then they were done also out in the... 416 00:18:56.400 --> 00:18:56.980 Out west, weren't they? 417 00:18:56.980 --> 00:18:59.240 They went all over the country to do those. 418 00:18:59.480 --> 00:19:01.360 She was a good actress, this woman. 419 00:19:01.480 --> 00:19:04.640 I'll tell you, Mike Kaufman, I don't even know where the folks are, 420 00:19:04.640 --> 00:19:07.000 in business and that, but he... 421 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:09.180 We bought all the junk out of Seelig. 422 00:19:09.300 --> 00:19:10.280 Tons of it. 423 00:19:11.500 --> 00:19:12.280 You didn't? 424 00:19:12.580 --> 00:19:13.720 You built it, didn't you? 425 00:19:14.200 --> 00:19:15.980 What happened to the Seelig studios? 426 00:19:16.700 --> 00:19:17.500 Well, they went west. 427 00:19:17.940 --> 00:19:19.620 No, I'm talking about the buildings here. 428 00:19:19.620 --> 00:19:20.560 Oh, they tore it down. 429 00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:21.660 They just tore it down. 430 00:19:25.060 --> 00:19:27.200 I bought tons of stuff from them. 431 00:19:27.320 --> 00:19:27.880 Like what? 432 00:19:28.260 --> 00:19:29.920 Well, I bought all of them. 433 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:31.560 You had a hard time seeing me in those days. 434 00:19:31.560 --> 00:19:32.000 Yeah. 435 00:19:32.320 --> 00:19:34.500 And I guess I got 2,000 flats. 436 00:19:35.660 --> 00:19:37.560 And we bought... 437 00:19:38.720 --> 00:19:40.360 As I told you, I bought individually. 438 00:19:41.020 --> 00:19:42.260 I bought about 10 printers. 439 00:19:44.520 --> 00:19:47.120 And all the props that we could handle. 440 00:19:47.880 --> 00:19:50.560 I hired a hay rack to all of them. 441 00:19:51.640 --> 00:19:53.420 And we took it over to Ebony, you know, 442 00:19:53.420 --> 00:19:54.980 over to United Photo Place, 443 00:19:55.020 --> 00:19:56.560 and I had that backyard loaded. 444 00:19:58.080 --> 00:19:59.980 And I walked out on it, and that's everything. 445 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:06.500 Here's the individual purchases he made from Seelig. 446 00:20:06.900 --> 00:20:08.440 Can you imagine that show though? 447 00:20:09.260 --> 00:20:09.780 Amazing. 448 00:20:10.860 --> 00:20:11.960 There's another 200. 449 00:20:13.660 --> 00:20:14.380 Keep going. 450 00:20:15.120 --> 00:20:19.560 We tried to go through and figure out what pictures... 451 00:20:20.140 --> 00:20:21.440 What stills, what pictures... 452 00:20:21.440 --> 00:20:23.560 I don't want to get them out of order now. 453 00:20:23.680 --> 00:20:25.140 That's the thing. I got this out of order. 454 00:20:25.720 --> 00:20:27.860 These are all out of order. Everybody looks at them. 455 00:20:28.480 --> 00:20:29.560 Here's a check to Seelig. 456 00:20:33.080 --> 00:20:36.100 And that was from... 457 00:20:36.100 --> 00:20:37.960 Ed bought it from Seelig. 458 00:20:38.360 --> 00:20:40.060 Well, I don't know. It's a personal deal. 459 00:20:40.320 --> 00:20:40.440 Yeah. 460 00:20:41.660 --> 00:20:42.560 Which it happened to be. 461 00:20:43.260 --> 00:20:43.700 Amazing. 462 00:20:44.320 --> 00:20:46.020 I don't know how we happened to save this. 463 00:20:46.120 --> 00:20:47.540 So they were really sold in... 464 00:20:47.540 --> 00:20:50.620 You would say they really were sold in about 1920, right? 465 00:20:50.680 --> 00:20:51.860 The Suyos here. 466 00:20:52.700 --> 00:20:53.720 That's the date on these there. 467 00:20:54.380 --> 00:20:56.100 That's the date. I would have been it then, yeah. 468 00:20:56.240 --> 00:20:58.420 That's when I started picking up... 469 00:20:58.420 --> 00:20:58.900 Yeah. 470 00:21:01.580 --> 00:21:03.540 Oh, look at this. 471 00:21:03.540 --> 00:21:03.540 472 00:21:03.540 --> 00:21:03.540 473 00:21:08.120 --> 00:21:08.840 This is amazing. 474 00:21:09.120 --> 00:21:10.340 Whatever that is. 475 00:21:11.020 --> 00:21:12.120 Is this Bronco Billion? 476 00:21:12.120 --> 00:21:13.720 This is Tom Mix. 477 00:21:14.600 --> 00:21:15.460 This is a mix. 478 00:21:16.660 --> 00:21:18.760 They did these in Arizona, didn't they? 479 00:21:18.880 --> 00:21:20.380 At the Seelig Ranch in Arizona. 480 00:21:20.440 --> 00:21:21.340 Yeah, I think they did. 481 00:21:21.460 --> 00:21:24.100 Right. They were also supposed to have been in New Orleans. 482 00:21:24.260 --> 00:21:24.900 Is that true? 483 00:21:24.980 --> 00:21:26.120 Where? New Orleans. 484 00:21:26.860 --> 00:21:28.300 Oh, they might have made one. 485 00:21:28.300 --> 00:21:30.420 One, but not...they were really mainly in Arizona, 486 00:21:30.660 --> 00:21:32.280 Los Angeles, and Chicago. 487 00:21:32.920 --> 00:21:34.000 That is an early... 488 00:21:34.000 --> 00:21:36.540 That's an early... 489 00:21:36.540 --> 00:21:38.120 And her name is... 490 00:21:38.800 --> 00:21:40.660 This was considered big 491 00:21:40.660 --> 00:21:41.860 in those days. 492 00:21:42.300 --> 00:21:43.860 A set like that. 493 00:21:44.420 --> 00:21:45.160 That's the name. 494 00:21:47.140 --> 00:21:48.180 You know, I had 495 00:21:48.180 --> 00:21:50.720 shots. Beverly gave me some, and she wanted them back. 496 00:21:51.880 --> 00:21:52.320 This 497 00:21:52.320 --> 00:21:54.220 is marvelous. Now, who are these? 498 00:21:54.220 --> 00:21:54.960 I don't know. 499 00:21:57.000 --> 00:21:58.300 There's some...I think 500 00:21:58.300 --> 00:22:00.940 Barrymore is in one of them. 501 00:22:01.380 --> 00:22:02.220 The Orange Barrymore. 502 00:22:03.620 --> 00:22:04.320 Well, this wasn't 503 00:22:04.320 --> 00:22:04.820 SNA. 504 00:22:05.960 --> 00:22:06.980 Oh, maybe not. 505 00:22:07.180 --> 00:22:08.300 No, this was not SNA. 506 00:22:09.680 --> 00:22:11.440 They had an outdoor sequence 507 00:22:11.440 --> 00:22:12.940 that had this kind of thing. 508 00:22:13.020 --> 00:22:15.620 I remember now. I thought this was 509 00:22:15.620 --> 00:22:16.320 that shot. 510 00:22:17.240 --> 00:22:19.580 They didn't make many spectaculars, you know. 511 00:22:19.800 --> 00:22:22.140 No, but the one you're talking about has a configuration 512 00:22:22.140 --> 00:22:23.520 like that. I remember. Yeah. 513 00:22:23.760 --> 00:22:25.020 That's irresistibly right. 514 00:22:25.460 --> 00:22:27.840 The way they built it. 515 00:22:28.240 --> 00:22:30.140 Spore set the ringing is... 516 00:22:30.700 --> 00:22:32.180 Spore didn't like to spend money, 517 00:22:32.320 --> 00:22:34.140 did he? Oh, he hated it. He hated to spend money. 518 00:22:42.140 --> 00:22:43.000 So that was a fake. 519 00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:46.080 That's bad. Yeah, I think that was a fake. 520 00:22:46.380 --> 00:22:47.360 He wasn't in the Army. 521 00:22:47.460 --> 00:22:50.180 That is really...would be a nice shot though. 522 00:22:52.140 --> 00:22:52.900 Not good blue though. 523 00:22:54.540 --> 00:22:56.280 But we probably get good pictures. 524 00:22:56.560 --> 00:22:56.860 Yeah. 525 00:22:57.540 --> 00:22:59.660 Well, if you don't mind, I'll have to come... 526 00:22:59.660 --> 00:23:00.840 You know, where are you going to come out? 527 00:23:01.640 --> 00:23:02.760 Where are your grubbies? 528 00:23:03.320 --> 00:23:04.520 That's a good one. 529 00:23:10.400 --> 00:23:11.220 This is cool. 530 00:23:13.980 --> 00:23:14.980 What is... 531 00:23:14.980 --> 00:23:16.440 This is pretty green. 532 00:23:18.880 --> 00:23:20.320 Yeah, because they did a tap 533 00:23:20.320 --> 00:23:22.060 picture of that film. 534 00:23:25.380 --> 00:23:26.880 Um, talking about the 535 00:23:26.880 --> 00:23:28.140 brick track and that race, 536 00:23:28.320 --> 00:23:30.200 isn't that a bunch of stuff? Oh, yeah. 537 00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:31.860 The 1911 one? 538 00:23:32.940 --> 00:23:33.600 All the years. 539 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:36.160 There's a whole pile of them. Do you have those? 540 00:23:36.340 --> 00:23:38.320 Sure. See, I'm doing a film now 541 00:23:38.320 --> 00:23:40.300 that uses that material, isn't it? What? 542 00:23:41.100 --> 00:23:42.620 The 1911 ending. 543 00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:43.940 Well... 544 00:23:43.940 --> 00:23:46.700 I don't know what the... 545 00:23:46.700 --> 00:23:48.560 I have stills of 546 00:23:48.560 --> 00:23:49.760 the runes. 547 00:23:50.320 --> 00:23:51.360 Oh, yours want us to... 548 00:23:51.360 --> 00:23:52.140 That was a great day... 549 00:23:52.140 --> 00:23:54.660 Well, that's down at Scots Tree. 550 00:23:55.380 --> 00:23:57.980 Well, they're here. It's a matter of finding them. 551 00:23:58.200 --> 00:24:00.360 What is this? I just was curious if we know... 552 00:24:00.360 --> 00:24:01.920 I don't know. Let's look in. 553 00:24:02.040 --> 00:24:02.780 Mark in the bottom. 554 00:24:06.400 --> 00:24:07.500 They're making a film 555 00:24:07.500 --> 00:24:08.880 in Cary, Illinois, obviously. 556 00:24:09.240 --> 00:24:09.460 Yeah. 557 00:24:11.500 --> 00:24:12.380 It's a beautiful... 558 00:24:12.380 --> 00:24:14.560 That looks like almost an Eisenstein 559 00:24:15.240 --> 00:24:16.620 kind of thing we would do. 560 00:24:19.020 --> 00:24:21.220 There are just so many. 561 00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:23.060 Well, you have them in some sort of an order, 562 00:24:23.060 --> 00:24:24.280 and I don't want to miss that out. 563 00:24:24.760 --> 00:24:26.660 Not really, because here are some. 564 00:24:26.780 --> 00:24:27.560 Wait a minute. Is that it? 565 00:24:29.220 --> 00:24:32.420 No, we'll have to... 566 00:24:32.420 --> 00:24:33.940 Speed a little bit later than that. 567 00:24:37.420 --> 00:24:38.680 That's 20 years later. 568 00:24:40.140 --> 00:24:41.080 Oh, I saw 569 00:24:41.840 --> 00:24:42.640 1911 one here. 570 00:24:42.660 --> 00:24:45.020 Oh, I remember. There's quite a few that... 571 00:24:45.020 --> 00:24:46.840 Yes. Oh, yes. 572 00:24:46.840 --> 00:24:48.840 There's lots of them. 573 00:24:52.820 --> 00:24:55.240 They get messed up as we walk through. 574 00:24:57.660 --> 00:24:59.280 I'm also curious. 575 00:25:00.840 --> 00:25:00.840 576 00:25:03.080 --> 00:25:03.680 We... 577 00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:05.440 Yes, and you don't see the damages. 578 00:25:06.100 --> 00:25:06.100 579 00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:08.580 That's all in the olden days 580 00:25:08.580 --> 00:25:11.240 where they, you know, they had to be careful. 581 00:25:12.600 --> 00:25:12.840 You said... 582 00:25:13.480 --> 00:25:14.920 Bell and Howell gave it 583 00:25:14.920 --> 00:25:16.380 to you to try out. 584 00:25:17.360 --> 00:25:19.340 Bell was mainly a projectionist. 585 00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:20.600 Howell was the inventor, correct? 586 00:25:20.800 --> 00:25:21.800 Howell was the inventor. 587 00:25:22.140 --> 00:25:24.820 Right, and they both were hired by Spur 588 00:25:25.480 --> 00:25:26.040 earlier. 589 00:25:27.180 --> 00:25:28.920 And Charlie Zebarth was one of his 590 00:25:31.500 --> 00:25:32.620 best mechanics. 591 00:25:33.240 --> 00:25:33.800 Zebarth... 592 00:25:33.800 --> 00:25:35.880 Bert Howell... 593 00:25:35.880 --> 00:25:38.340 What was Howell's first name? 594 00:25:38.420 --> 00:25:40.460 Bert Howell. Well, Clyde Howell, 595 00:25:40.540 --> 00:25:41.320 I think his name was. 596 00:25:41.320 --> 00:25:45.040 He built a camera for Independence. 597 00:25:46.220 --> 00:25:47.420 When we take 598 00:25:47.420 --> 00:25:49.860 two grinds of a foot, 599 00:25:50.360 --> 00:25:51.240 and he made 600 00:25:51.240 --> 00:25:52.800 one grind of a foot, 601 00:25:53.100 --> 00:25:56.420 two frames in it, 602 00:25:56.840 --> 00:25:57.900 and I got that one. 603 00:25:58.020 --> 00:25:59.940 I bought the Lumley Film Company stuff. 604 00:26:00.560 --> 00:26:01.380 It was the damndest thing 605 00:26:01.380 --> 00:26:03.320 I ever saw, and he Clyde built it. 606 00:26:05.520 --> 00:26:07.200 Trying to beat the Patents Company. 607 00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:10.980 Well, why don't we close down today? 608 00:26:11.320 --> 00:26:12.220 Yeah, I think we better. 609 00:26:12.640 --> 00:26:14.620 Yeah, because that's quite different.