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Oh, the motion picture houses were very...

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Oh, just storefronts, most of them.

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I never wanted to go out on myself.

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They were also, they were sometimes fire traps, weren't they?

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They would catch fire.

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Oh, yes.

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Right.

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They had no take-up on their projectors.

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So the city passed a law that they had to build galvanized iron boxes to take care of the film.

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You know, in those days, one reel of film, a reel of a thousand feet, would have two or three subjects on it.

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Some of them were called...

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And it would run 15 minutes.

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Split reels, weren't they?

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What?

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Some of them were called split reels.

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Well, they were split reels, all right, because they had three or four subjects, usually a comedy and a couple of dramas.

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Now, you take a picture like Les Miserables.

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That was in one reel, a thousand feet.

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That's it, sort of.

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Picture business is coming up.

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Where did I leave off then?

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Well, you left off at the article down in the Examiner in 1909, March 28.

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Yeah, my college.

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Yeah.

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I didn't want to copyright it, but there were so many peculiar fellows those days.

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My real reason for copyrighting is to have them ask me if they wanted to do anything.

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They did, and that's what they did.

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We afterwards had reprints of it, and I gave it to the Scarborough Film Exchange, and they mailed it all over to all of them.

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But I haven't a copy of it.

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I should have.

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What if I could get it?

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I'll try to find you a copy.

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I will try to find you a copy and get one to you.

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I don't know.

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There are people that I told about it that looked it up, you know, they didn't believe it.

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You see, I'll tell you.

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I know all about that too.

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Now, what did you predict?

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You know, they used to...

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I couldn't see a man like you doing this, doing that.

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But my association was tops.

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I never had any time for any social life or anything at that time.

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You'll find if you get that article that I had some ideas.

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I used to do those things those times.

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I came along with good people like H.P. Williams and Al Snyder.

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They were writers, thinkers.

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Well, now where'd I stop?

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You stopped at what you wrote in that article, what your predictions were.

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Oh, I predicted palaces for moving pictures.

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You know, they didn't have them.

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Big fine theaters.

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I said, among other things, that in time there'd be entire cities used for producing pictures only.

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All right, Universal City followed it.

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See?

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Carl Lemley.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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I've always said Carl Lemley had an advertising outfit

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and I've always said that those guys got that idea from that article.

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Of course, I don't know, but I said that.

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That's there.

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That's in the article.

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If it isn't, okay, forget all this stuff.

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Well, now you were then doing...

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After the Motion Picture Patents Company put the Chicago Film Exchange,

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when you were selling your iconographs, were they?

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Was that what they were called?

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What's that?

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You were selling the projector and then the Motion Picture Patents Company put a stop to that.

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Yeah.

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For a little while anyway.

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Oh, yeah.

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I don't know how long that fight lasted.

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I don't know.

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Sometime I think it was 12 or 16 or something like that.

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Yeah.

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Because I got in another line.

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What did you do then after that?

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Well, I'll tell you.

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My experience with selling those home projectors

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proved to me that there was a market for a low-priced regular projector.

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So there was a bunch of lawyers came to me and I sold them.

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That's when I was selling the smaller projector.

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Golly, I had money orders all over the desks.

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And they saw it.

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And they organized a company to make a moving picture projector

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that could be sold at a low price

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and gave the distribution of it to the Chicago Film Exchange provided they retained me.

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Well, they produced the projectors all right.

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But things happened and the projectors were live and not used.

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And I set up a concern and bought the projectors, bought them, and sold them.

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See?

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That's how I got into the selling projectors.

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Tell me, what did you call the projector then when you began selling them that way?

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I call it something, PNW Sales Company.

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That's what it was.

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PNW Sales Company.

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Yes.

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I don't know.

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I didn't call them.

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Well, that doesn't matter.

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That's nothing.

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They kept on going.

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I was in that business for two or three years.

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See, I may have dropped in at about 1910, 11.

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I sold a lot of those things.

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Advertising, you know.

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I had a fire at all my catalogs and everything were burned up.

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Oh, that article that I speak about, all copies of that were lost in the fire.

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I fired an old temple court building on the eighth floor.

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On the eighth floor of the temple court building.

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Yeah, out of fire.

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The people don't know anything about that either.

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Well, I went from there.

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I bet you got an office at the Como building, 443 Dearborn Street.

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Is that C-O-M-O?

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Huh?

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C-O-M-O.

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C-O-M-O.

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Como building.

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And I got to begin to pray on these comedies with black prayers.

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I began to pray on my mind.

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So all that was a buildup that I had.

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I was always thinking about them.

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Did you ever see any of those comedies from Lubin at all?

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Yes, I've seen.

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Sure, I saw everything.

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I had to.

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Lubin and Edison had them too.

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Edison did too?

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Yes.

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Were they black players, sir?

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Or were they white?

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I'll tell you about that.

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They were, photography was bad.

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That's one of the complaints that they had about colored people in pictures.

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That they didn't photograph.

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They've always got some idea.

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They keep some objection that they raise, putting forth anything that's colored.

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Yes.

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That I overcame.

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When I had the ebony,

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I was in the laboratory.

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A fellow in the laboratory called me one time.

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He says, Pollard, come on over here.

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I said, I've solved a question about these pictures being photography.

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I went over and I saw it.

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And he told me, I don't know just what it was.

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He said, these people that are handling the laboratory don't bring them up right.

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They're faces.

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So the result was that a whole lot of publicity, the movie and picture game,

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I had solved the question of photography.

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That was really just we began to release our pictures at that time.

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Oh, they were fine.

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Tell me, when did you begin making them, Mr. Pollard?

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When did you begin making your films and when did ebony begin?

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What's that?

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When did ebony begin?

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Wait a minute.

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We're not there yet.

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Okay.

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The Ebony Film Corporation was organized in 1916 in the spring.

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It was organized for the purpose of making specializing in comedies with all colored players.

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It was not a color-colored organization at all.

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Just the players that are put up to do the work.

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Yes.

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Now, I wanted to see to that because I had experience and I knew a few things, you know.

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It didn't bother me but then I knew.

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We, in 1916 and 1917, we were making some pictures.

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In 19, fall of 1917, we got the distribution contract from the old General Film Company

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who were the biggest distributors at one time in the country.

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They distributed for the Patent Company.

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The Patent Company, oh yes.

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We got all of them just by never going down.

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We used to furnish those people 23 prints of raised pictures.

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I insisted that the distributors didn't put any of the pictures in theaters that catered to a particular group.

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I see.

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My reason was this, that the public would get an idea.

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They were made for that group only.

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They were made for the entire public, not any particular group.

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The result was that the pictures played like Madison Street, Chicago, and other places

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instead of, well, I don't think.

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They were distributed all over the country.

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Now, wait a minute.

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Oh yes, distributed all over the country.

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Now, some of the managers of these offices hollered about it because he said,

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this picture should be the same as features in this group.

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It doesn't make any difference.

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Don't do it.

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That's all.

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So I went out and they began to go here and here and there in all theaters.

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Now, after that, they were known.

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Bingo.

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Then it was generally, and they were the same as features.

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The theaters that catered to other than white people began to get quite a reputation.

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I think our ratings showed about third.

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There was the Lloyd, I can't think of it.

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Harold Lloyd?

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Harold Lloyd comedies.

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And...

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The Keystone?

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Huh?

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Keystone.

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Keystone stuff, yeah, that's what it's...

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You've been studying this.

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They were first.

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Ebony was coming along.

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Yeah, oh yeah.

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Very good.

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Tell me, how many, do you remember about how many you made, Mr. Pollard?

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I don't know how many we made.

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I know there was about eight or nine that we released.

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And David ought to have known something about him.

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He had him.

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Did he have him?

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He had some.

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He had some, I know.

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I know he ought to have had a lot of photographs of the players.

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Well, I have some here, but I thought that we'd look at them a later after we really...

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Am I tiring you?

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Because if I am, I can come back, you know, Mr. Pollard.

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I'd like to see them. I want to see them.

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Of course.

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You know, I ought to get away, you know.

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That was a blow to me, because I cry, but you know, business associations and so forth.

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I wanted to make a success of the pictures.

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But you did.

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Well, although I did, oh yes.

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It all came out, just as I said it would, neck of them today.

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They used to complain about black people.

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You couldn't see them on the screen.

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You could see them today.

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Absolutely. Isn't that wild?

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But I know that at that time they wouldn't have accepted anything like detective stories or like they do their features.

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Let me show you these that I have.

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I don't know whether I have...

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I've told you quite a story. I didn't intend to do all that.

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Oh, it's beautiful.

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And I think if I...

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God, you're somebody... I've often said that somebody get a hold of that that could handle it right.

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Listen, you're with the Tribune, huh?

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I am doing this...

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Or freelance.

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I'm a freelancer, yes.

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And I am a film historian.

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Oh, here they are.

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I was wondering if I had lost them.

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Let me see.

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That isn't...

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But now I don't know...

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I know, I recognize them.

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I don't know the titles to them at all.

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I just see the films themselves.

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Do you remember any of the titles at all?

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Oh, this is... I don't know.

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Sam Williams.

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Oh, let me take this down.

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Sam Williams?

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263
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Now, was he...

264
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No, no, the number one, one over here was Sam Zaks.

265
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Sam Zaks.

266
00:16:33.140 --> 00:16:33.640
Z-A?

267
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Number one.

268
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J-A.

269
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Reading from left to right.

270
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J-A-K.

271
00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:39.780
J-A-C-K-S.

272
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You know some...

273
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Sam Zaks.

274
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Sam Williams.

275
00:16:45.420 --> 00:16:46.240
Sam Williams.

276
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Were any of...

277
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Billy Ledman.

278
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Excuse me?

279
00:16:50.980 --> 00:16:51.500
Billy Ledman?

280
00:16:51.500 --> 00:16:53.940
Did you say Billy Ledman?

281
00:16:55.100 --> 00:16:55.460
Billy?

282
00:16:56.040 --> 00:16:56.640
Ledman.

283
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L-E?

284
00:16:57.920 --> 00:16:58.700
D-M-N.

285
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Uh-huh.

286
00:16:59.920 --> 00:17:00.400
Now, let's see.

287
00:17:00.400 --> 00:17:02.800
I don't know what picture this is.

288
00:17:03.180 --> 00:17:03.680
Let me see.

289
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Would that have been Mercy, the Mummy...

290
00:17:06.360 --> 00:17:08.860
Those two fellows were good.

291
00:17:10.140 --> 00:17:13.500
Would that have been Mercy, the Mummy, Mumbled?

292
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No, I don't know.

293
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I don't know that.

294
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Maybe so.

295
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Well, that's just along...

296
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This will be number one then.

297
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And...

298
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Let me show you this then.

299
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Give me them all.

300
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I'll tell them to you.

301
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Fine.

302
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I just want to make sure that I have the right numbers on them.

303
00:17:31.760 --> 00:17:32.880
What would that have been?

304
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Let's see.

305
00:17:40.820 --> 00:17:41.580
Were any...

306
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Was Sam Zaks from Vaudeville or Burlesque or anything?

307
00:17:43.920 --> 00:17:45.740
I don't know what this is.

308
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I asked if...

309
00:17:46.940 --> 00:17:47.640
Was Sam Zaks...

310
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What's that?

311
00:17:48.380 --> 00:17:49.800
Was Sam Zaks from Vaudeville?

312
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Were they from Vaudeville or...

313
00:17:51.860 --> 00:17:53.720
Had they had any experience at all prior to this?

314
00:17:53.720 --> 00:17:55.160
Sam Zaks is...

315
00:17:55.160 --> 00:17:58.320
He only died here recently, last five or six years.

316
00:17:58.620 --> 00:18:00.540
Well, did he have any experience?

317
00:18:00.580 --> 00:18:00.980
Sure.

318
00:18:01.120 --> 00:18:02.000
Was he Vaudeville?

319
00:18:02.340 --> 00:18:02.860
What's that?

320
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Was he in Vaudeville at all?

321
00:18:04.780 --> 00:18:05.720
No, no.

322
00:18:06.220 --> 00:18:06.480
Uh-huh.

323
00:18:06.500 --> 00:18:08.360
He may have been before I knew him.

324
00:18:08.420 --> 00:18:10.040
But here he is over here.

325
00:18:10.600 --> 00:18:11.940
I can recognize him.

326
00:18:11.940 --> 00:18:14.900
I don't know what this picture is.

327
00:18:16.280 --> 00:18:16.700
I don't know.

328
00:18:16.820 --> 00:18:18.780
This is Sam Williams.

329
00:18:19.520 --> 00:18:20.680
The fellow's on the bed.

330
00:18:20.800 --> 00:18:21.580
I don't know.

331
00:18:28.040 --> 00:18:29.040
I don't know.

332
00:18:29.820 --> 00:18:31.000
That may have been something.

333
00:18:31.220 --> 00:18:32.400
I don't know.

334
00:18:35.560 --> 00:18:37.220
Is Sam Zaks up here?

335
00:18:37.460 --> 00:18:37.720
Good.

336
00:18:37.820 --> 00:18:39.320
Well, we have that identified then.

337
00:18:39.420 --> 00:18:39.900
Yeah, sure.

338
00:18:39.900 --> 00:18:41.020
That's Sam Zaks there.

339
00:18:41.020 --> 00:18:42.700
And he was one of the stars.

340
00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:43.860
Oh, he was good.

341
00:18:44.540 --> 00:18:45.060
Okay.

342
00:18:45.260 --> 00:18:45.900
That's two.

343
00:18:47.360 --> 00:18:48.780
He was a straight man.

344
00:18:49.580 --> 00:18:50.180
And then...

345
00:18:50.180 --> 00:18:51.780
Oh, those fellows made pictures.

346
00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:53.380
I don't know what...

347
00:18:53.380 --> 00:18:54.080
I bet that's Sam...

348
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I was busy at the other end of it.

349
00:18:56.140 --> 00:18:56.880
That's Sam Zaks too.

350
00:18:56.880 --> 00:18:57.660
Let's see this.

351
00:18:57.660 --> 00:18:58.660
Isn't that Sam Zaks?

352
00:18:59.300 --> 00:19:05.020
Put this...

353
00:19:05.660 --> 00:19:06.180
Yes.

354
00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:18.060
I know this is Yvonne Junior, this woman.

355
00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:22.800
E-V-O-N-N-E Junior.

356
00:19:22.800 --> 00:19:27.620
Y-V-O-N-N-E Junior.

357
00:19:27.700 --> 00:19:28.940
J-U-N-I-O-R.

358
00:19:29.100 --> 00:19:30.320
Yeah, that's Sam Zaks.

359
00:19:30.620 --> 00:19:32.660
Sam, Zaks, and Yvonne.

360
00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:36.680
Where'd you get these from?

361
00:19:36.680 --> 00:19:37.080
David?

362
00:19:38.060 --> 00:19:39.040
I'll tell you what.

363
00:19:39.460 --> 00:19:43.120
David had some of those, and his...

364
00:19:43.120 --> 00:19:44.420
I think his grand...

365
00:19:44.420 --> 00:19:46.420
Not granddaughter, but his daughter.

366
00:19:46.760 --> 00:19:47.040
Huh?

367
00:19:47.240 --> 00:19:48.940
His daughter had some of those.

368
00:19:49.060 --> 00:19:49.420
His?

369
00:19:49.540 --> 00:19:50.340
His daughter.

370
00:19:50.400 --> 00:19:50.780
Oh.

371
00:19:50.980 --> 00:19:51.340
Yeah.

372
00:19:51.880 --> 00:19:57.640
And she didn't know who they were, you see.

373
00:19:58.020 --> 00:19:58.880
And this is why I...

374
00:19:58.880 --> 00:19:59.500
I don't know who they were.

375
00:20:00.340 --> 00:20:02.000
Yvonne Junior there, right.

376
00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:03.060
Yvonne Junior.

377
00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:04.320
And then is this...

378
00:20:04.320 --> 00:20:09.160
Yeah, I see that.

379
00:20:10.660 --> 00:20:10.980
Oh.

380
00:20:25.080 --> 00:20:28.960
I don't know what this is, and so...

381
00:20:29.960 --> 00:20:30.960
I don't know.

382
00:20:31.140 --> 00:20:31.980
I don't...

383
00:20:31.980 --> 00:20:33.620
A lot of extras in there.

384
00:20:33.840 --> 00:20:34.360
Mm-hmm.

385
00:20:38.280 --> 00:20:41.260
I don't know who this fella is down on the bed.

386
00:20:41.640 --> 00:20:43.360
Well, we don't need to worry about that one.

387
00:20:44.120 --> 00:20:46.000
Let's just put that aside then.

388
00:20:46.960 --> 00:20:48.300
And I'll put four then.

389
00:20:48.540 --> 00:20:50.860
Now, this was done where would this have been?

390
00:20:50.880 --> 00:20:52.360
This is number four.

391
00:20:53.960 --> 00:20:54.680
Would that have been...

392
00:20:54.680 --> 00:20:56.360
I've been up in Wisconsin or what?

393
00:20:56.360 --> 00:20:56.700
Let's see.

394
00:20:58.040 --> 00:20:58.700
Oh.

395
00:20:59.580 --> 00:21:05.020
This is Outdoor Studio in Oshkosh, Wisconsin.

396
00:21:05.520 --> 00:21:11.380
And tell me, the four-wheel drive people, did you engage them to back you at all or not?

397
00:21:11.380 --> 00:21:11.820
What's that?

398
00:21:11.860 --> 00:21:14.080
The four-wheel drive company.

399
00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:15.620
Did they back your company?

400
00:21:16.120 --> 00:21:16.860
Who did?

401
00:21:17.300 --> 00:21:18.640
Four-wheel drive.

402
00:21:19.460 --> 00:21:21.680
Well, ours was a stock company.

403
00:21:22.360 --> 00:21:23.500
We show stock.

404
00:21:23.980 --> 00:21:24.340
Yes.

405
00:21:24.560 --> 00:21:25.520
You had no backing.

406
00:21:25.520 --> 00:21:28.760
David said he thought it came from the four-wheel drive company.

407
00:21:29.780 --> 00:21:36.200
No, there was a lot of those stockholders in the four-wheel drive company up in Wisconsin

408
00:21:36.200 --> 00:21:37.080
bought stock.

409
00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:37.760
I see.

410
00:21:38.120 --> 00:21:39.280
But they had nothing.

411
00:21:40.380 --> 00:21:43.300
I'd rather that wouldn't be mentioned, anything about them.

412
00:21:43.600 --> 00:21:44.560
Nothing you want mentioned?

413
00:21:44.960 --> 00:21:45.300
No, no.

414
00:21:45.780 --> 00:21:47.080
Okay, I won't do that then.

415
00:21:47.720 --> 00:21:48.900
No, don't mention that.

416
00:21:48.980 --> 00:21:49.520
I won't.

417
00:21:51.060 --> 00:21:52.140
Gee, that's it, you know.

418
00:21:52.140 --> 00:21:57.320
A lot of those fellow, a man was selling our stock and sold it for the four-wheel drive

419
00:21:57.320 --> 00:22:01.280
company, so David has got his case made.

420
00:22:01.480 --> 00:22:01.660
Yeah.

421
00:22:02.580 --> 00:22:05.640
That is up in Oshkosh, Wisconsin then.

422
00:22:06.020 --> 00:22:08.100
That was an outdoor studio.

423
00:22:08.360 --> 00:22:12.800
Now can you identify who were the people there?

424
00:22:13.240 --> 00:22:15.180
That's where we really should identify that one.

425
00:22:15.180 --> 00:22:16.260
That's number five.

426
00:22:17.680 --> 00:22:18.840
All right.

427
00:22:19.720 --> 00:22:23.600
I don't know if they spelled his name on the end, but I know he was funny.

428
00:22:24.740 --> 00:22:26.280
The one with the policemen?

429
00:22:26.920 --> 00:22:32.720
The back row is Bill Starks.

430
00:22:33.360 --> 00:22:33.840
Bill?

431
00:22:34.620 --> 00:22:35.580
Bill Starks.

432
00:22:35.920 --> 00:22:37.060
S-T-A-R-K-S.

433
00:22:38.260 --> 00:22:38.260


434
00:22:40.100 --> 00:22:40.580
Rudolph.

435
00:22:44.560 --> 00:22:46.180
I can't think of his own name.

436
00:22:46.180 --> 00:22:48.800
He was the one that discovered.

437
00:22:49.620 --> 00:22:53.180
That guy, he went on, you know.

438
00:22:56.040 --> 00:22:57.280
Rudolph Tatum.

439
00:22:58.020 --> 00:22:59.300
T-A-T-U-M.

440
00:23:00.340 --> 00:23:00.340


441
00:23:01.960 --> 00:23:04.100
The next is Sam Zaks.

442
00:23:07.180 --> 00:23:08.780
The next is Sam Williams.

443
00:23:12.080 --> 00:23:15.160
The next is a girl.

444
00:23:15.520 --> 00:23:17.320
I can't remember her name.

445
00:23:17.500 --> 00:23:19.100
She wasn't regular.

446
00:23:19.500 --> 00:23:19.780
All right.

447
00:23:21.420 --> 00:23:25.220
And the next is George.

448
00:23:32.740 --> 00:23:34.340
George, George, George.

449
00:23:34.360 --> 00:23:34.840
Lewis.

450
00:23:35.980 --> 00:23:37.900
L-O-U-I-S or L-E-W-I-S?

451
00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:38.720
L-E-W-I-S.

452
00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:39.100
Whoo!

453
00:23:39.900 --> 00:23:41.100
Goodness, that picture.

454
00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:50.220
I know this fella's name.

455
00:23:51.100 --> 00:23:54.860
I know this fella, but I can't think of his name.

456
00:23:57.180 --> 00:23:58.460
Well, we should leave that one blank.

457
00:23:59.060 --> 00:24:00.780
Is he at the very end there on the top row?

458
00:24:00.900 --> 00:24:01.900
The very end in the top.

459
00:24:01.920 --> 00:24:02.980
Let's just leave that blank.

460
00:24:04.460 --> 00:24:04.900
Now.

461
00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:10.940
Second row from the top left.

462
00:24:11.900 --> 00:24:12.440
Charlie David.

463
00:24:12.900 --> 00:24:13.700
Is that Charlie David?

464
00:24:13.820 --> 00:24:14.520
I didn't know that.

465
00:24:14.580 --> 00:24:15.000
David?

466
00:24:16.240 --> 00:24:16.720
Where is he?

467
00:24:16.760 --> 00:24:17.900
Which one can...

468
00:24:19.400 --> 00:24:20.500
He's from the left.

469
00:24:20.560 --> 00:24:21.300
Charles David.

470
00:24:23.560 --> 00:24:26.020
Now, the next row, I can't...

471
00:24:26.020 --> 00:24:28.640
I don't recall that fella's name either.

472
00:24:28.740 --> 00:24:29.980
Down here, that big fella.

473
00:24:30.100 --> 00:24:30.540
Policeman.

474
00:24:30.900 --> 00:24:32.200
All right, forget the policeman then.

475
00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:35.000
Let's just say blank then.

476
00:24:35.140 --> 00:24:35.840
That's a policeman.

477
00:24:37.880 --> 00:24:39.480
Two policemen I can't recall.

478
00:24:39.820 --> 00:24:41.120
Right, second one you can't recall.

479
00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:42.340
Burt Murphy.

480
00:24:43.300 --> 00:24:45.500
He's a great Vaudeville star.

481
00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:46.040
Burt?

482
00:24:46.040 --> 00:24:47.480
He died, Burt Murphy.

483
00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:49.140
M-U-R-P-H-Y.

484
00:24:57.800 --> 00:24:58.960
Oh, Phillips.

485
00:24:59.880 --> 00:25:00.320
Phillips.

486
00:25:00.360 --> 00:25:01.260
What was his name?

487
00:25:01.520 --> 00:25:02.260
Ralph Phillips.

488
00:25:03.260 --> 00:25:03.860
And what is he?

489
00:25:03.980 --> 00:25:04.500
Is he the one with the...

490
00:25:04.500 --> 00:25:05.440
He's the director.

491
00:25:05.880 --> 00:25:07.020
Ralph Phillips.

492
00:25:07.100 --> 00:25:08.480
P-H-I-L-L-I-P-S.

493
00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:11.520
And this...

494
00:25:11.520 --> 00:25:14.640
I remember this woman, but I don't remember her name.

495
00:25:14.820 --> 00:25:15.580
It's Fat Woman.

496
00:25:15.760 --> 00:25:17.160
And the Fat Woman, uh-huh.

497
00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:20.380
And the one next to her.

498
00:25:20.480 --> 00:25:21.240
I don't remember.

499
00:25:21.480 --> 00:25:21.920
Okay.

500
00:25:23.080 --> 00:25:24.120
And then who's the man?

501
00:25:24.120 --> 00:25:25.900
And then the fella down at the bottom

502
00:25:27.340 --> 00:25:28.800
is Don Newman.

503
00:25:29.060 --> 00:25:29.620
Don?

504
00:25:30.760 --> 00:25:31.320
Don...

505
00:25:31.320 --> 00:25:31.640
Newman.

506
00:25:32.140 --> 00:25:32.460
Nulin.

507
00:25:33.100 --> 00:25:34.120
Don Nulin.

508
00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:35.640
He was a prop man.

509
00:25:36.220 --> 00:25:37.600
N-E-W-L-A-N-D.

510
00:25:38.120 --> 00:25:39.040
Yeah, that's it.

511
00:25:39.160 --> 00:25:39.860
Prop man.

512
00:25:40.620 --> 00:25:41.760
What did David do?

513
00:25:41.800 --> 00:25:44.240
Was he a cameraman and was he in the lab too?

514
00:25:44.420 --> 00:25:44.960
What's that?

515
00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:46.860
What did David, Charles David do?

516
00:25:46.880 --> 00:25:48.020
Was he a cameraman?

517
00:25:48.320 --> 00:25:50.040
He was a cameraman, sure.

518
00:25:50.220 --> 00:25:50.640
Right.

519
00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:52.020
Phillips was a director.

520
00:25:52.260 --> 00:25:53.400
And Phillips was a director.

521
00:25:54.300 --> 00:25:54.300


522
00:25:54.300 --> 00:25:54.900
And, um...

523
00:25:54.980 --> 00:25:58.580
Phillips was the man that worked with me when we started it.

524
00:25:59.020 --> 00:25:59.020


525
00:25:59.140 --> 00:26:03.100
When you went to the studios, uh, which studio did you use?

526
00:26:03.120 --> 00:26:04.360
Or did you have your own studio?

527
00:26:05.560 --> 00:26:07.460
Well, no.

528
00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:12.320
We had a studio at 2332 North California.

529
00:26:12.640 --> 00:26:13.560
Twenty-two?

530
00:26:15.400 --> 00:26:15.960
Twenty...

531
00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:17.240
What was it?

532
00:26:17.460 --> 00:26:18.420
Twenty-two thirty-two.

533
00:26:18.500 --> 00:26:20.100
Twenty-two thirty-two North California.

534
00:26:20.180 --> 00:26:22.000
Twenty-three thirty-two North California.

535
00:26:22.040 --> 00:26:23.040
Twenty-three thirty.

536
00:26:24.980 --> 00:26:25.980
North California.

537
00:26:26.040 --> 00:26:28.360
You ought to get some dough for this story, mister.

538
00:26:28.900 --> 00:26:29.740
Oh, I don't know.

539
00:26:29.940 --> 00:26:31.260
I, I, I hope.

540
00:26:31.840 --> 00:26:31.840


541
00:26:32.500 --> 00:26:32.980
I wouldn't.

542
00:26:34.560 --> 00:26:34.720
Heh.

543
00:26:35.480 --> 00:26:36.640
All right, let's see.

544
00:26:37.100 --> 00:26:38.240
George Lewis.

545
00:26:38.660 --> 00:26:40.120
This girl here...

546
00:26:40.120 --> 00:26:40.940
Which one now?

547
00:26:41.520 --> 00:26:42.160
The fat girl?

548
00:26:42.540 --> 00:26:43.120
This girl.

549
00:26:43.140 --> 00:26:44.760
She's a very nice looking girl.

550
00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:46.020
On the top row.

551
00:26:46.180 --> 00:26:46.600
Yes.

552
00:26:46.680 --> 00:26:47.560
That was funny.

553
00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:52.080
Was up in Nascouse, Wisconsin.

554
00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:53.220
Uh-huh.

555
00:26:54.860 --> 00:26:56.220
Tevally fat woman.

556
00:26:58.440 --> 00:27:01.200
Did she do any vaudeville, uh, later on at all?

557
00:27:01.420 --> 00:27:01.420


558
00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:04.000
Did she go into vaudeville later on or...

559
00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:04.560
Vaudeville.

560
00:27:05.240 --> 00:27:05.720
Vaudeville.

561
00:27:06.220 --> 00:27:06.700
Vaudeville.

562
00:27:08.060 --> 00:27:08.480
Oh.

563
00:27:09.160 --> 00:27:09.700
The girl?

564
00:27:09.840 --> 00:27:10.180
Yeah.

565
00:27:10.660 --> 00:27:11.240
No, no.

566
00:27:11.260 --> 00:27:12.560
I don't know what to come of her.

567
00:27:12.660 --> 00:27:13.300
Uh-huh.

568
00:27:13.600 --> 00:27:15.480
She looks like she has a lot of presence.

569
00:27:16.220 --> 00:27:17.960
I don't know what to come of her.

570
00:27:21.100 --> 00:27:24.440
Oh, it's all simmered down in chains.

571
00:27:25.080 --> 00:27:25.080


572
00:27:27.720 --> 00:27:28.940
Who's the colored fella?

573
00:27:33.820 --> 00:27:34.260
Uh...

574
00:27:34.260 --> 00:27:36.380
All right, I think his name is Durea.

575
00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:36.940
Uh-huh.

576
00:27:36.940 --> 00:27:38.660
On the end there, near that camera.

577
00:27:39.240 --> 00:27:41.380
Near the camera or is he the camera, uh, at the camera?

578
00:27:41.380 --> 00:27:41.900
No, no.

579
00:27:42.060 --> 00:27:45.420
That's, David has him over here, Durea.

580
00:27:45.580 --> 00:27:46.160
This man?

581
00:27:46.160 --> 00:27:48.740
I think this fella way over here.

582
00:27:48.900 --> 00:27:49.160
Is Durea.

583
00:27:49.720 --> 00:27:51.040
I think that's what.

584
00:27:52.260 --> 00:27:52.420
Uh-huh.

585
00:27:52.980 --> 00:27:53.240
Okay.

586
00:27:54.560 --> 00:27:56.660
Then, uh, I don't know...

587
00:27:56.660 --> 00:27:57.320
Let me see.

588
00:27:57.560 --> 00:27:59.560
Uh, is that David and the prop man again?

589
00:28:00.020 --> 00:28:01.160
Let's see.

590
00:28:07.660 --> 00:28:08.400
Don Newland?

591
00:28:09.200 --> 00:28:13.600
Albert Phillips and David.

592
00:28:14.460 --> 00:28:15.120
And David.

593
00:28:15.120 --> 00:28:16.440
And which one is Phillips?

594
00:28:16.660 --> 00:28:17.040
Is he the one?

595
00:28:17.040 --> 00:28:17.880
On the right.

596
00:28:18.040 --> 00:28:18.920
He's on the right.

597
00:28:19.380 --> 00:28:20.080
Ralph Phillips.

598
00:28:20.520 --> 00:28:22.100
Ralph Phillips, okay.

599
00:28:26.340 --> 00:28:29.260
Hmm, guess you're fortunate to get all this stuff.

600
00:28:29.580 --> 00:28:30.740
I got it.

601
00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:37.560
That was in the studio then on California.

602
00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:44.060
Is this a man, Ralph Phillips, here again?

603
00:28:44.060 --> 00:28:44.060


604
00:28:44.060 --> 00:28:45.340
And the actors?

605
00:28:49.280 --> 00:28:50.980
This is Ralph Phillips.

606
00:28:51.320 --> 00:28:52.000
Ralph Phillips?

607
00:28:52.340 --> 00:28:54.060
Yeah, the...

608
00:28:55.140 --> 00:28:56.340
I don't know.

609
00:28:57.240 --> 00:28:59.540
I don't know who this guy is.

610
00:29:00.840 --> 00:29:02.740
With the lather all over his face.

611
00:29:02.740 --> 00:29:03.160
Uh-huh.

612
00:29:13.320 --> 00:29:16.040
I don't know who these people are.

613
00:29:18.760 --> 00:29:20.840
Now let me ask you something.

614
00:29:22.060 --> 00:29:23.460
Ralph Phillips, that's all I know.

615
00:29:23.560 --> 00:29:25.040
I don't know who these actors are.

616
00:29:27.900 --> 00:29:30.700
You know, I wasn't always over around them.

617
00:29:32.740 --> 00:29:32.780
I don't know who they are.

618
00:29:32.780 --> 00:29:32.800
I don't know who they are.

619
00:29:32.800 --> 00:29:32.820
I don't know who they are.

620
00:29:32.820 --> 00:29:32.820


621
00:29:32.820 --> 00:29:32.840
I don't know who they are.

622
00:29:32.840 --> 00:29:32.880
I don't know who they are.

623
00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:32.880


624
00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:32.880


625
00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:32.900
I don't know who they are.

626
00:29:32.900 --> 00:29:33.240
I don't know who they are.

627
00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:33.240


628
00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:33.240


629
00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:33.240


630
00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:33.240


631
00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:33.380
I don't know who they are.

632
00:29:33.360 --> 00:29:33.360


633
00:29:33.360 --> 00:29:33.360


634
00:29:33.360 --> 00:29:33.360


635
00:29:33.360 --> 00:29:33.360


636
00:29:33.360 --> 00:29:33.360


637
00:29:33.360 --> 00:29:33.360


638
00:29:33.360 --> 00:29:33.360


639
00:29:33.360 --> 00:29:33.360


640
00:29:33.360 --> 00:29:33.360


641
00:29:33.360 --> 00:29:33.360


642
00:29:33.360 --> 00:29:33.360


643
00:29:33.360 --> 00:29:33.360


644
00:29:33.360 --> 00:29:33.360


645
00:29:33.360 --> 00:29:33.360