WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.500 --> 00:00:05.280 I believe you're no longer than anybody else. 2 00:00:08.920 --> 00:00:09.160 I know. 3 00:00:09.160 --> 00:00:09.700 The family's a mark. 4 00:00:09.720 --> 00:00:10.580 Did they bother you? 5 00:00:10.660 --> 00:00:15.380 Because they may, they may just have been, you know, the wrong kind of people. 6 00:00:18.580 --> 00:00:25.560 They said that, let's see, I was talking to one of the reporters and they said that they 7 00:00:25.560 --> 00:00:28.660 may have bothered you, you know, rather than, than helped. 8 00:00:29.420 --> 00:00:34.880 They wanted to talk about your history and they didn't do it very well, apparently. 9 00:00:34.940 --> 00:00:35.460 No. 10 00:00:35.460 --> 00:00:36.020 They did it badly. 11 00:00:36.020 --> 00:00:40.220 They never did, they never talked to me about my history because I didn't give it to them. 12 00:00:40.320 --> 00:00:41.100 Ah, that's it. 13 00:00:41.120 --> 00:00:42.880 I'm preserving that for myself. 14 00:00:43.220 --> 00:00:43.600 Good. 15 00:00:44.160 --> 00:00:46.060 I've got a lot of it written up. 16 00:00:47.340 --> 00:00:57.180 My folks, they, last man that came out here with the... 17 00:00:57.180 --> 00:00:59.740 Let me talk to you now so that you just tell me... 18 00:00:59.740 --> 00:01:01.920 Now you're gonna have to put, put your chair right over here. 19 00:01:02.080 --> 00:01:02.260 I am. 20 00:01:02.300 --> 00:01:03.160 That's what I want to do. 21 00:01:04.020 --> 00:01:06.500 But the thing is, I would like to... 22 00:01:07.360 --> 00:01:09.420 Well, you've got some outside on you. 23 00:01:11.560 --> 00:01:19.000 Your, your niece said that you have lived in Rogers Park pretty much all of your life, 24 00:01:19.020 --> 00:01:19.640 am I correct? 25 00:01:19.780 --> 00:01:20.020 Is this... 26 00:01:20.020 --> 00:01:20.320 Yeah. 27 00:01:20.320 --> 00:01:20.720 Yeah. 28 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:21.920 And... 29 00:01:21.920 --> 00:01:25.160 I'm from the north side, Edgewater Rogers Park. 30 00:01:25.460 --> 00:01:25.940 Edgewater... 31 00:01:25.940 --> 00:01:28.040 She don't know anything about me. 32 00:01:28.160 --> 00:01:28.460 Very little. 33 00:01:28.460 --> 00:01:30.960 She said she didn't, she said that I should have to talk to you directly. 34 00:01:31.080 --> 00:01:31.720 Very little. 35 00:01:32.300 --> 00:01:32.860 Right. 36 00:01:34.120 --> 00:01:39.220 You know, it so happens that my brother's her father, Fritz Pollard. 37 00:01:39.960 --> 00:01:41.780 The, the ath, the famous athlete. 38 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:42.260 Yes. 39 00:01:42.320 --> 00:01:45.680 And, ah, do I have my facts straight? 40 00:01:46.120 --> 00:01:46.740 Yeah, go ahead. 41 00:01:47.420 --> 00:01:49.380 Did he go to Brown University? 42 00:01:49.400 --> 00:01:49.880 He did. 43 00:01:50.220 --> 00:01:54.440 And then he was, ah, with, um, Robeson. 44 00:01:54.860 --> 00:01:55.340 No. 45 00:01:56.560 --> 00:01:57.180 Robeson? 46 00:01:57.500 --> 00:01:57.860 He wasn't... 47 00:01:57.860 --> 00:01:58.560 Paul Robeson? 48 00:01:58.560 --> 00:01:58.940 Listen. 49 00:01:59.460 --> 00:01:59.460 50 00:01:59.580 --> 00:02:00.000 Tell me about it. 51 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:01.520 No, he wasn't with Robeson. 52 00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:02.000 Yes. 53 00:02:02.200 --> 00:02:06.540 Robeson, he, Robeson came on there while he was in, at Brown. 54 00:02:06.920 --> 00:02:10.660 I think Robeson was, ah, not Colgate. 55 00:02:13.040 --> 00:02:17.120 R, R, R, R, R, R, R. 56 00:02:18.580 --> 00:02:20.760 Ah, I can't think of that, colleagues. 57 00:02:21.660 --> 00:02:22.480 I, I didn't... 58 00:02:22.480 --> 00:02:22.860 R. 59 00:02:22.860 --> 00:02:24.580 Well, Will, I'll, I'll, Rutgers. 60 00:02:24.580 --> 00:02:25.700 Is it Rutgers? 61 00:02:25.980 --> 00:02:26.380 What's that? 62 00:02:26.860 --> 00:02:27.380 Rutgers? 63 00:02:27.660 --> 00:02:27.960 No. 64 00:02:28.060 --> 00:02:28.760 Rutgers, yeah. 65 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:29.320 Rutgers. 66 00:02:29.600 --> 00:02:30.200 It was Rutgers. 67 00:02:30.620 --> 00:02:30.880 Yeah. 68 00:02:31.120 --> 00:02:35.400 All right, but they were in the same football league together, am I correct, later on? 69 00:02:35.420 --> 00:02:39.880 Oh yeah, they played, you know, Rutgers played Brown and Brown played Rutgers. 70 00:02:40.420 --> 00:02:40.740 Right. 71 00:02:41.640 --> 00:02:48.160 But, ah, Fritz, ah, I think was there, he was in Brown before Robeson got to Rutgers. 72 00:02:48.560 --> 00:02:51.040 But Robeson was in Rutgers about a year afterwards. 73 00:02:51.160 --> 00:02:52.320 About a year afterwards, right. 74 00:02:52.320 --> 00:03:00.420 But, ah, Robeson was chosen All-American after Fritz. 75 00:03:01.340 --> 00:03:02.940 Now I want to tell you something. 76 00:03:05.640 --> 00:03:12.800 My brother was not Camp's choice, the first man of color. 77 00:03:13.340 --> 00:03:14.500 He was not. 78 00:03:16.320 --> 00:03:17.500 That's what they say, though, isn't it? 79 00:03:17.500 --> 00:03:18.700 No, he was not. 80 00:03:18.820 --> 00:03:19.340 Yeah. 81 00:03:22.200 --> 00:03:25.940 J.W. Lewis from Boston was. 82 00:03:26.840 --> 00:03:27.740 J.W.? 83 00:03:28.060 --> 00:03:30.700 J.W. Lewis from Boston was. 84 00:03:31.260 --> 00:03:39.200 But the selection of those players didn't take in all colleges. 85 00:03:40.280 --> 00:03:43.600 They were, it was confined to the Ivy League. 86 00:03:43.740 --> 00:03:44.740 Ivy League, I see. 87 00:03:44.740 --> 00:03:52.000 The Ivy League consisted of Princeton, Harvard, and Yale. 88 00:03:53.300 --> 00:03:56.180 So after all, nothing was said about it, you see. 89 00:03:56.460 --> 00:04:01.240 It had become popular, you see. 90 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:06.380 But then, of course, that wouldn't be news because they didn't, it wasn't generally. 91 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:08.160 But then he was. 92 00:04:08.160 --> 00:04:14.900 This man, Lewis, was in school with Theodore Roosevelt. 93 00:04:16.400 --> 00:04:17.560 And he was chosen. 94 00:04:18.700 --> 00:04:20.880 He was afterwards coached for Harvard. 95 00:04:21.820 --> 00:04:23.840 He played center on Harvard. 96 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:25.380 He was afterwards coached. 97 00:04:25.380 --> 00:04:26.420 And his name was Lewis, right? 98 00:04:26.440 --> 00:04:30.980 Yeah, and he was a great fellow. 99 00:04:31.840 --> 00:04:34.800 And this all was around, let's say, the late 80s. 100 00:04:34.880 --> 00:04:35.980 The late 80s. 101 00:04:35.980 --> 00:04:37.820 That's remarkable. 102 00:04:38.200 --> 00:04:43.340 But, you know, they never said anything about white or colored duties. 103 00:04:44.180 --> 00:04:45.940 I've lived all through that. 104 00:04:46.200 --> 00:04:46.680 Right. 105 00:04:46.820 --> 00:04:47.360 I know. 106 00:04:48.560 --> 00:04:56.820 In all of my career, my business career, I was never mentioned about being a colored man. 107 00:04:56.920 --> 00:04:57.600 Right. 108 00:04:58.100 --> 00:05:04.420 You see, because my career was always white. 109 00:05:04.420 --> 00:05:13.720 I was an executive in white organizations all the way through. 110 00:05:14.400 --> 00:05:15.920 And I came up here. 111 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:24.340 All of my friends, boyhood friends, all the way through until I was 20, 21 years old, were white kids. 112 00:05:24.620 --> 00:05:27.380 And I did the same thing that they did. 113 00:05:27.660 --> 00:05:28.300 Yes. 114 00:05:28.420 --> 00:05:28.920 You see. 115 00:05:29.620 --> 00:05:30.920 Let me ask you this. 116 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:35.740 Now, you lived in this area all your life, pretty much edgewiringly. 117 00:05:35.740 --> 00:05:36.540 Yeah, sure. 118 00:05:36.900 --> 00:05:40.980 And 90 years, but I don't want you to... 119 00:05:40.980 --> 00:05:41.460 No. 120 00:05:42.260 --> 00:05:44.360 You and I are going to be out a few days. 121 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:45.040 No, no. 122 00:05:45.260 --> 00:05:51.500 I said that you were going to see the article before it is published so that you can read it over. 123 00:05:53.200 --> 00:06:00.120 The other thing that I wanted to ask you then is, did you go, did Fritz and you go to the same schools and so on, that type of thing, or what? 124 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:01.060 Did I go where? 125 00:06:01.760 --> 00:06:05.120 Did Fritz and you go to the same schools then, or not? 126 00:06:05.280 --> 00:06:05.760 Did who? 127 00:06:05.880 --> 00:06:06.460 Your brother. 128 00:06:07.020 --> 00:06:07.640 Oh, yes. 129 00:06:07.760 --> 00:06:08.800 You went to the same school. 130 00:06:08.860 --> 00:06:09.300 Yeah. 131 00:06:09.600 --> 00:06:12.520 And then did you go east to school, or did you stay here and go? 132 00:06:12.520 --> 00:06:13.600 No, I stayed here. 133 00:06:13.700 --> 00:06:14.260 I see. 134 00:06:14.440 --> 00:06:14.820 Yeah. 135 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:15.760 And then you went... 136 00:06:15.760 --> 00:06:17.020 I went to Lakeview High School. 137 00:06:17.200 --> 00:06:18.200 Lakeview High School. 138 00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:18.680 Yeah. 139 00:06:18.920 --> 00:06:20.520 And then you became a reporter. 140 00:06:20.640 --> 00:06:21.160 Did you not? 141 00:06:21.200 --> 00:06:25.120 Did you become a reporter, or were you an advertising originally? 142 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:26.180 I had to say. 143 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:27.160 An advertising. 144 00:06:27.160 --> 00:06:31.640 I was in advertising when few people knew anything about it. 145 00:06:32.060 --> 00:06:32.780 Tell me when, will you? 146 00:06:32.780 --> 00:06:33.160 About that. 147 00:06:34.280 --> 00:06:34.560 About? 148 00:06:36.840 --> 00:06:38.460 A fella lived right over here. 149 00:06:38.660 --> 00:06:40.060 His name was Snyder. 150 00:06:40.900 --> 00:06:42.900 Al Styler was a bright fella. 151 00:06:44.500 --> 00:06:51.180 And he was a natural literary man. 152 00:06:56.740 --> 00:07:00.140 And he liked me pretty well as a kid. 153 00:07:01.500 --> 00:07:13.840 When he was in the eighth grade in Rogers Park schools, he had a little newspaper. 154 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:16.080 That was the first paper in Rogers Park. 155 00:07:17.300 --> 00:07:18.600 I forget what they called it. 156 00:07:18.600 --> 00:07:20.680 I think they called it the Rogers Park Herald. 157 00:07:21.720 --> 00:07:26.160 Well, Al never went any farther than grammar school. 158 00:07:27.160 --> 00:07:32.780 And he went from there to the Metropolitan Business College, and he studied shorthand. 159 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:33.440 Yes. 160 00:07:35.560 --> 00:07:45.560 And after he got good at his work, he got in the old Chicago, he did both. 161 00:07:45.560 --> 00:07:47.580 He was a columnist. 162 00:07:48.780 --> 00:07:53.940 He saw possibilities in the advertising field. 163 00:07:54.160 --> 00:07:57.120 He used to talk to me, I was going up all about it. 164 00:07:57.820 --> 00:07:59.560 And he's a great friend of my father's. 165 00:08:00.140 --> 00:08:03.260 You see my father operating the barber shop here. 166 00:08:04.660 --> 00:08:07.160 Everybody knew about him. 167 00:08:08.360 --> 00:08:11.800 Did he also come from Mexico, Missouri, or did I have that mixed up? 168 00:08:13.660 --> 00:08:16.200 The idea is where did you get that? 169 00:08:16.620 --> 00:08:17.660 You told me on the phone. 170 00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:18.380 Did I? 171 00:08:18.820 --> 00:08:20.120 No, he's from Missouri. 172 00:08:20.640 --> 00:08:23.600 He was in Mexico, Missouri. 173 00:08:23.840 --> 00:08:32.900 He operated a barber shop in Mexico, Missouri, in the Ringo house, a big fine palace. 174 00:08:33.500 --> 00:08:35.140 It was a big hotel, wasn't it? 175 00:08:35.140 --> 00:08:36.080 Big hotel. 176 00:08:36.080 --> 00:08:36.720 Yes. 177 00:08:38.020 --> 00:08:41.780 And he came here early. 178 00:08:42.740 --> 00:08:47.640 He came here intending to go to Evanston, but didn't. 179 00:08:48.500 --> 00:08:49.940 You're getting all of that, are you? 180 00:08:49.940 --> 00:08:51.920 Yes, I just want to make sure that this is working. 181 00:08:52.140 --> 00:08:52.420 That's all. 182 00:08:52.660 --> 00:08:54.600 You just go on talking now. 183 00:09:01.700 --> 00:09:02.660 And the... 184 00:09:02.660 --> 00:09:03.560 Yeah, we're all right. 185 00:09:03.560 --> 00:09:04.340 We're fine. 186 00:09:04.680 --> 00:09:06.000 He came up... 187 00:09:06.000 --> 00:09:12.980 He came here to go to Evanston's because of the schools. 188 00:09:14.300 --> 00:09:15.780 And he got here. 189 00:09:17.520 --> 00:09:19.340 He didn't like Evanston. 190 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:22.480 I don't need to tell you the reasons why. 191 00:09:24.760 --> 00:09:30.220 And we settled down in the Edgewater and eventually came here. 192 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:31.920 Been here ever since. 193 00:09:31.920 --> 00:09:34.920 His family was all raised here. 194 00:09:35.980 --> 00:09:37.220 What was his first name? 195 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:40.340 John W. Pollard. 196 00:09:41.140 --> 00:09:43.320 And your middle initial... 197 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:43.920 J. 198 00:09:44.340 --> 00:09:45.180 Yes. 199 00:09:45.180 --> 00:09:46.200 After him? 200 00:09:46.620 --> 00:09:47.960 Yes, I suppose. 201 00:09:48.560 --> 00:09:51.740 My name was supposed to be Lewis. 202 00:09:54.340 --> 00:09:55.720 Let me see. 203 00:09:57.440 --> 00:09:58.400 Wait a minute. 204 00:10:01.140 --> 00:10:03.720 Anyway, the name... 205 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:05.560 The father was a religious man. 206 00:10:06.280 --> 00:10:12.800 He wanted his kids to have religious names, and so he didn't like the name that the intendant 207 00:10:12.800 --> 00:10:14.500 gave me, so he changed it to Luther. 208 00:10:15.560 --> 00:10:16.320 Very good. 209 00:10:16.620 --> 00:10:17.420 Very good. 210 00:10:19.340 --> 00:10:20.560 Tell me this. 211 00:10:21.940 --> 00:10:23.060 You ask me questions. 212 00:10:23.140 --> 00:10:23.800 Yes, I will. 213 00:10:23.960 --> 00:10:27.000 Now, you mentioned Mr. Snyder, Al Snyder. 214 00:10:27.000 --> 00:10:27.480 Yes. 215 00:10:27.480 --> 00:10:34.480 And now you said that he had gone to a stenographer school and he had learned also... 216 00:10:35.500 --> 00:10:36.520 He had gone to business school. 217 00:10:37.400 --> 00:10:42.360 Now, then did you form some sort of partnership with him in advertising or what? 218 00:10:42.960 --> 00:10:43.680 No. 219 00:10:45.660 --> 00:10:48.480 He was always talking to me about advertising. 220 00:10:49.980 --> 00:10:52.140 And he finally set up an office. 221 00:10:54.320 --> 00:10:58.280 I was about 18, 19 years old, just out of high school. 222 00:10:59.720 --> 00:11:04.140 And I went to work for him and... 223 00:11:07.700 --> 00:11:09.300 Charles H. Marsh and Company. 224 00:11:10.960 --> 00:11:11.940 Charles H. Marsh. 225 00:11:12.080 --> 00:11:13.340 Marsh and Company. 226 00:11:15.500 --> 00:11:18.640 His partner was Henry P. Williams. 227 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:27.880 He was one of the best known ad writers in this locality. 228 00:11:29.520 --> 00:11:46.760 And I remained there with Snyder and Marsh until Snyder established a big agency called 229 00:11:47.600 --> 00:11:54.260 Snyder Johnson Advertising Agency with offices in the old Ellsworth Building. 230 00:11:54.360 --> 00:11:55.440 In the Ellsworth Building. 231 00:11:57.580 --> 00:11:57.580 232 00:11:58.400 --> 00:12:00.540 Marsh was a mighty fine fella. 233 00:12:02.120 --> 00:12:08.580 And I helped him in many ways and he let me do everything. 234 00:12:08.580 --> 00:12:16.680 So I learned copywriting. 235 00:12:17.080 --> 00:12:17.880 Very good. 236 00:12:19.340 --> 00:12:25.020 Very proficient, especially in writing sales letters. 237 00:12:26.100 --> 00:12:26.460 Yes. 238 00:12:27.400 --> 00:12:36.780 Now, finally, Irving A. Rockwell. 239 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:44.700 A Rogers Park man who was in the office furniture business and systems. 240 00:12:45.500 --> 00:12:45.720 Yes. 241 00:12:46.540 --> 00:12:47.680 Had watched me. 242 00:12:48.540 --> 00:12:50.460 He was a great friend of my father's. 243 00:12:51.220 --> 00:12:53.280 And he had a growing business. 244 00:12:53.600 --> 00:12:54.600 Big business. 245 00:12:54.600 --> 00:12:59.700 I guess the largest of its kind in the United States. 246 00:13:00.660 --> 00:13:03.320 He never had an advertising man. 247 00:13:04.760 --> 00:13:14.700 So he, like a shot out of the sky, put me in charge of the advertising of the Rockwell Warbys company. 248 00:13:15.020 --> 00:13:16.040 The Rockwell Warbys. 249 00:13:16.040 --> 00:13:19.040 The Rockwell Warbys company had three or four names. 250 00:13:19.200 --> 00:13:19.440 Yes. 251 00:13:19.440 --> 00:13:25.260 That Warbys came from down in Indiana where they maintain a factory. 252 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:29.180 And they made furniture, did you say? 253 00:13:29.500 --> 00:13:30.420 Office furniture. 254 00:13:30.600 --> 00:13:31.420 Now, wait a minute. 255 00:13:35.340 --> 00:13:38.500 Then he was back of me. 256 00:13:40.120 --> 00:13:47.560 Then, let's see, I got the idea of system. 257 00:13:52.400 --> 00:14:03.300 I figured that it was easier to interest a man in system or a business in system than to sell them filing cabinets. 258 00:14:04.720 --> 00:14:12.240 You would talk system to them first and put the filing cabinets in afterwards. 259 00:14:13.920 --> 00:14:18.260 Can you tell me about what year this would be? 260 00:14:18.420 --> 00:14:19.300 Those years? 261 00:14:19.380 --> 00:14:19.880 Yes. 262 00:14:20.700 --> 00:14:21.340 1902. 263 00:14:21.580 --> 00:14:22.760 About 1902, yes. 264 00:14:23.620 --> 00:14:24.320 Very good. 265 00:14:24.320 --> 00:14:44.740 And it became, there was another outfit from Muskegon that was operating systems instead of office furniture called the Shaw Walker Company. 266 00:14:48.660 --> 00:14:51.560 They went to town with it. 267 00:14:53.100 --> 00:14:54.280 I don't know. 268 00:14:54.340 --> 00:14:59.180 They expected they had the idea of system before I did. 269 00:14:59.660 --> 00:15:01.360 But I didn't know anything about it. 270 00:15:01.500 --> 00:15:16.600 Anyway, I was with the Rockwell Warbys company until business trouble, mining investments on the part of Rockwell got his attention. 271 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:21.600 And the business was going down. 272 00:15:24.820 --> 00:15:27.720 It was eventually sold. 273 00:15:29.280 --> 00:15:29.680 I forget. 274 00:15:30.400 --> 00:15:31.820 I went to school with the news. 275 00:15:34.560 --> 00:15:41.220 The Baker Voter Company, I think it was that. 276 00:15:41.360 --> 00:15:41.860 I don't know. 277 00:15:44.620 --> 00:15:55.900 I got out, of course, and I had to sort of freelance for a while around town. 278 00:15:57.560 --> 00:16:12.900 I had a little advertising agency located at, first at 119 Dearborn Street. 279 00:16:12.940 --> 00:16:16.000 That's right where the Boston store used to be. 280 00:16:16.120 --> 00:16:17.160 119 Dearborn. 281 00:16:17.520 --> 00:16:17.600 Yes. 282 00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:21.860 Then I moved up with Snyder. 283 00:16:21.860 --> 00:16:23.800 He got out of his business. 284 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:26.300 He lost his business too. 285 00:16:26.880 --> 00:16:28.080 And he was freelancing. 286 00:16:28.160 --> 00:16:35.840 And I went into an office at 180 North Dearborn Street with Snyder and a fellow by the name of Quinn. 287 00:16:36.600 --> 00:16:42.340 I think we rented from a woman, Duesenbury. 288 00:16:42.780 --> 00:16:43.380 Duesenbury. 289 00:16:43.560 --> 00:16:45.680 Duesenbury, an old, old family. 290 00:16:45.880 --> 00:16:46.220 Yes. 291 00:16:46.220 --> 00:16:49.380 I don't know the other name, but Duesenbury. 292 00:16:49.560 --> 00:16:50.700 She's an old family. 293 00:16:50.800 --> 00:16:52.840 She sold all kind of books. 294 00:16:57.800 --> 00:17:19.160 Then I finally landed with B. Subbot & Sons, a leaf tobacco manufacturer, because I'd had some experience in writing the catalogs for another leaf tobacco house. 295 00:17:19.160 --> 00:17:23.160 I was there for two years, maybe three years. 296 00:17:24.060 --> 00:17:26.380 That's getting long, about 1908. 297 00:17:26.980 --> 00:17:27.660 1908. 298 00:17:28.560 --> 00:17:33.520 And I had a vacation and I went to Montreal, Canada. 299 00:17:34.780 --> 00:17:40.340 I expected to leave the country. 300 00:17:44.520 --> 00:17:54.760 While in Montreal, Canada, I had to do something my evenings, so I went to a moving picture concern. 301 00:17:55.140 --> 00:17:59.580 Prior to that, I had seen very few moving pictures. 302 00:18:02.460 --> 00:18:09.040 At that time, in this section, all the theater-going people would never go into a movie house. 303 00:18:09.040 --> 00:18:10.120 Right. 304 00:18:10.580 --> 00:18:11.420 They wouldn't go. 305 00:18:15.100 --> 00:18:17.000 Well, I won't say that. 306 00:18:19.780 --> 00:18:31.080 Now then, I said to myself, there must be some spot for an advertising man. 307 00:18:34.180 --> 00:18:40.580 And I consulted all the magazines to see if I could see any ads in it. 308 00:18:40.580 --> 00:18:46.980 I couldn't see where the advertising man was going to cut in, where advertising could help at any time. 309 00:18:46.980 --> 00:18:48.840 I didn't know what they could advertise. 310 00:18:50.420 --> 00:18:57.940 I saw one quarter page ad, I think, of Muncie's Magazine, placed by Carl Lemley. 311 00:18:58.560 --> 00:19:01.040 Yes. He was then in Chicago, wasn't he? 312 00:19:01.040 --> 00:19:02.720 Yeah, he was Chicagoan. 313 00:19:02.820 --> 00:19:04.240 He came, though, from Oshkosh. 314 00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:11.000 He was, oh, he was a Chicago man. 315 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:13.020 I'll tell you more about him. 316 00:19:13.560 --> 00:19:14.020 Good. 317 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:20.480 So, I up and came back to Chicago. 318 00:19:22.760 --> 00:19:31.280 Fortunately, in answer to an ad that I placed in the Chicago Tribune, 319 00:19:31.760 --> 00:19:41.240 I got a call from a sales representative of a small moving picture projector. 320 00:19:45.020 --> 00:19:46.400 You want some water? 321 00:19:46.760 --> 00:19:47.700 No, no, thank you. 322 00:19:47.900 --> 00:19:48.620 What's that for? 323 00:19:49.020 --> 00:19:50.180 While we were coffee. 324 00:19:54.280 --> 00:19:56.960 And it was called the Iconograph. 325 00:19:56.960 --> 00:20:11.800 All the advertising fellows in Chicago was after that advertising to push the sale of that machine. 326 00:20:13.380 --> 00:20:18.460 Little toy, Sears Roebuck had cataloged it. 327 00:20:18.660 --> 00:20:19.740 Iconograph at school? 328 00:20:19.820 --> 00:20:21.320 Yeah, they cataloged it. 329 00:20:21.320 --> 00:20:25.140 And this sales representative, his name was Ruble. 330 00:20:25.500 --> 00:20:26.160 Ruble. 331 00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:28.360 Ru-B-E-L. 332 00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:30.980 I placed it there. 333 00:20:32.080 --> 00:20:42.520 And he got the Chicago Film Exchange to back him up. 334 00:20:47.340 --> 00:20:58.000 After that, I had come along and talked to him and finally he selected me of all the fellows that went to him. 335 00:20:58.160 --> 00:21:00.160 I don't know why, but for some reason. 336 00:21:01.800 --> 00:21:05.840 So we set up an office to sell that machine. 337 00:21:07.120 --> 00:21:07.680 Projector. 338 00:21:07.800 --> 00:21:08.680 It was a projector. 339 00:21:08.680 --> 00:21:09.200 Yeah. 340 00:21:09.780 --> 00:21:23.360 And I inaugurated the name, Moving Pictures in Your Own Home. 341 00:21:24.680 --> 00:21:28.960 And that was in the latter part of 1908. 342 00:21:30.140 --> 00:21:31.460 Moving Pictures in Your Home. 343 00:21:31.480 --> 00:21:31.960 Yeah, yeah. 344 00:21:32.120 --> 00:21:32.880 Very good. 345 00:21:33.120 --> 00:21:33.720 Oh, Lord. 346 00:21:34.040 --> 00:21:35.460 That was my idea. 347 00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:38.460 What about that March 28th? 348 00:21:39.680 --> 00:21:40.000 Wait a minute. 349 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:40.800 I'll tell you. 350 00:21:40.800 --> 00:21:41.220 Okay. 351 00:21:43.500 --> 00:21:47.700 I'm building all the way up for you. 352 00:21:51.060 --> 00:21:58.860 We started to advertise that picture and I had fights with my advertising agency. 353 00:21:58.920 --> 00:22:01.200 I was so busy I couldn't handle it then. 354 00:22:01.200 --> 00:22:06.900 About whether to use Moving Pictures in Your Own Home or commercialize. 355 00:22:06.960 --> 00:22:08.820 I said no. 356 00:22:10.040 --> 00:22:12.460 You want to let it stay as it is. 357 00:22:13.040 --> 00:22:17.360 Well, we were smothered with business. 358 00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:22.420 That shows you how the picture business was at that time. 359 00:22:24.340 --> 00:22:25.920 People would send in orders. 360 00:22:26.140 --> 00:22:28.020 We advertised no money down. 361 00:22:28.020 --> 00:22:31.020 But they would send in orders with money in them. 362 00:22:31.980 --> 00:22:32.520 Amazing. 363 00:22:33.120 --> 00:22:34.220 Now, where did your ads appear? 364 00:22:34.220 --> 00:22:34.920 We used, huh? 365 00:22:35.000 --> 00:22:36.500 Where did your ads appear? 366 00:22:38.660 --> 00:22:41.180 In the Bladenlezer. 367 00:22:41.180 --> 00:22:42.220 In the what? 368 00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:44.200 369 00:22:44.700 --> 00:22:46.060 Principally those papers. 370 00:22:46.500 --> 00:22:48.820 Of course, we advertised in Popular Mechanics. 371 00:22:48.920 --> 00:22:49.960 For Popular Mechanics, too. 372 00:22:51.300 --> 00:22:53.180 I can't think of all of them. 373 00:22:53.360 --> 00:22:55.800 But anyway, the inquest came in there. 374 00:22:56.800 --> 00:23:07.680 Well, it got along in the spring of 1909. 375 00:23:08.780 --> 00:23:11.360 A big blow up in the picture business. 376 00:23:12.480 --> 00:23:16.840 The Patents Company was organized. 377 00:23:19.560 --> 00:23:30.240 And all of the nonmembers of that Moving Picture Patent Company were scared to death. 378 00:23:30.940 --> 00:23:43.660 They couldn't write films and they couldn't use the projectors at all because that was the crust that ruled them out. 379 00:23:43.980 --> 00:23:44.680 Yes. 380 00:23:46.000 --> 00:23:47.320 Here, a little glass. 381 00:23:50.560 --> 00:23:57.840 And this outfit is Chicago Film Exchange owned by the Lewis Brothers. 382 00:23:58.240 --> 00:23:59.000 Lewis Brothers. 383 00:24:00.200 --> 00:24:00.200 384 00:24:00.620 --> 00:24:03.480 Gary, I don't want any water. I don't drink water. 385 00:24:03.740 --> 00:24:04.360 Don't you? 386 00:24:04.720 --> 00:24:05.860 Maybe he does. 387 00:24:06.560 --> 00:24:07.580 Will you have a glass of water? 388 00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:09.840 No, I'll join him in one in a little while. 389 00:24:09.920 --> 00:24:11.280 We're talking over this. 390 00:24:14.680 --> 00:24:16.360 You don't see sick. 391 00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:21.380 Now, God, that was turkish. 392 00:24:25.340 --> 00:24:29.380 Oh, there was a big flare-up around here. 393 00:24:32.520 --> 00:24:33.480 The Motion Picture Patents? 394 00:24:33.780 --> 00:24:36.280 The Motion Picture Patents Company. 395 00:24:37.280 --> 00:24:46.540 There was Vitagraph, Biograph, New York City. 396 00:24:46.720 --> 00:24:47.280 Kaelin? 397 00:24:48.420 --> 00:24:49.520 They were members. 398 00:24:50.200 --> 00:24:51.560 Lubin in Philadelphia. 399 00:24:53.020 --> 00:24:54.320 They're another member. 400 00:24:58.280 --> 00:24:58.760 SNA? 401 00:25:00.340 --> 00:25:02.880 Pathe Frere. Pathe Brothers. 402 00:25:04.800 --> 00:25:07.520 Paris, Gaumont of Paris. 403 00:25:07.840 --> 00:25:13.260 They were all members of the Motion Picture Patents Company. 404 00:25:14.480 --> 00:25:20.260 Now, there was Carl Lemley who was having a hard time at that time. 405 00:25:20.640 --> 00:25:21.980 He was on the fence. 406 00:25:25.220 --> 00:25:27.880 Well, our concern was a very wealthy concern. 407 00:25:29.060 --> 00:25:31.200 That is the Chicago Film Company. 408 00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:35.380 They took it upon themselves to fight that Patents Company. 409 00:25:36.080 --> 00:25:39.620 They did fight it and eventually went out. 410 00:25:44.200 --> 00:25:44.820 They... 411 00:25:44.820 --> 00:25:46.200 It was then... 412 00:25:46.840 --> 00:25:49.500 Now, I may be a little ahead of my story. 413 00:25:50.460 --> 00:25:52.200 It was then... 414 00:25:57.820 --> 00:26:01.860 That newspaper article published on the... 415 00:26:01.860 --> 00:26:03.200 Happened out the... 416 00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:07.040 In favor of the Patents Company came out. 417 00:26:07.980 --> 00:26:12.060 A follow-up of the name of Frederick D. Starr. 418 00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:18.900 I think he was an anthropologist or something from this University of Chicago. 419 00:26:19.320 --> 00:26:20.720 He wrote a nice article. 420 00:26:22.080 --> 00:26:26.720 He didn't mention the company, but he favored them. 421 00:26:31.420 --> 00:26:32.420 Well... 422 00:26:32.420 --> 00:26:40.020 That was just prior to my article, The Moving Picture War. 423 00:26:44.420 --> 00:26:44.720 I... 424 00:26:45.420 --> 00:26:47.000 It was very good. 425 00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:50.460 Looked in the future of Moving Pictures. 426 00:26:51.100 --> 00:26:53.680 I wish you could get a copy of it. I have not. 427 00:26:56.140 --> 00:26:57.540 And then I'll tell you. 428 00:26:58.080 --> 00:27:00.000 It was published... 429 00:27:01.360 --> 00:27:04.720 March the 28th, 1909. 430 00:27:06.080 --> 00:27:07.620 In one of the horse papers. 431 00:27:08.340 --> 00:27:11.000 I think the name of the paper was... 432 00:27:11.580 --> 00:27:12.560 Harold Examiner? 433 00:27:13.160 --> 00:27:13.680 No. 434 00:27:15.220 --> 00:27:16.700 Was the Examiner. 435 00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:19.680 You see, the Harold Examiner was... 436 00:27:20.380 --> 00:27:23.260 The horse paper took out... bought over the Harold. 437 00:27:23.900 --> 00:27:25.480 That was later on, wasn't it? 438 00:27:25.560 --> 00:27:27.600 It was a messenger or the... 439 00:27:27.600 --> 00:27:28.340 Examiner. 440 00:27:28.820 --> 00:27:29.380 Examiner. 441 00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:30.420 It was the Examiner, right? 442 00:27:30.600 --> 00:27:31.240 You're right. 443 00:27:34.860 --> 00:27:35.980 That article... 444 00:27:35.980 --> 00:27:37.420 Was treated as an ad. 445 00:27:37.540 --> 00:27:40.120 I don't know how that happened. I was very busy. 446 00:27:40.120 --> 00:27:42.800 I was a writer, though. It was a great deal. 447 00:27:44.380 --> 00:27:46.660 Anyway, there's some good stuff in it. 448 00:27:47.020 --> 00:27:47.760 I will get it. 449 00:27:47.760 --> 00:27:48.180 You'll see. 450 00:27:48.180 --> 00:27:48.980 I will get it. 451 00:27:49.140 --> 00:27:52.460 You'll see. And in fact, I recall it. 452 00:27:52.900 --> 00:27:54.080 I can't. 453 00:27:54.340 --> 00:27:57.540 But I... you know... 454 00:27:57.540 --> 00:28:02.240 Moving Picture Houses were just little jumps around about that time. 455 00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:06.660 Now, I want to change this tape right now. 456 00:28:06.660 --> 00:28:07.260 All right. 457 00:28:10.120 --> 00:28:14.120 Today will probably be a hand-writen type of practice for most of the folks... 458 00:28:15.580 --> 00:28:16.140 ...because... 459 00:28:16.140 --> 00:28:19.120 ...someone has been doing a lot of other film on this... 460 00:28:20.020 --> 00:28:23.120 ...over a time period of this track... 461 00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:24.440 ...a month ago. 462 00:28:25.780 --> 00:28:29.260 The conclusion of one tire test, we received a typical time for Allen, 463 00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:32.520 with the Johnny Mike special, of 174.8. 464 00:28:32.540 --> 00:28:36.160 That stands at this time as the official record for this track. 465 00:28:36.800 --> 00:28:41.160 We could very soon see that record... 466 00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:45.620 ...shattered, but probably not today... 467 00:28:45.620 --> 00:28:48.320 ...because, as I say, it will be a handling type of practice. 468 00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:54.720 Moving a tire onto the track right now, being pulled by a Poland Husky 1257. 469 00:28:57.700 --> 00:29:00.020 Kevin Barlant on Sydney, Australia. 470 00:29:00.860 --> 00:29:04.200 Tire number 26, Kevin Barlant on Sydney, Australia. 471 00:29:15.700 --> 00:29:18.380 The big car is built by Jerry Eichert... 472 00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:22.400 ...and is called the Jerry Eichert Special. 473 00:29:22.820 --> 00:29:24.660 Jerry Eichert is from Newport Beach, California. 474 00:29:26.020 --> 00:29:30.200 And, unless I have a title on my sheet, that is a turbocharged Chevy. 475 00:29:31.120 --> 00:29:34.820 And I would anticipate that's the only turbocharged Chevy that you will see. 476 00:29:34.900 --> 00:29:36.100 Do I hear it from Chevy now? 477 00:29:36.140 --> 00:29:36.140 478 00:29:36.140 --> 00:29:36.140 479 00:29:36.140 --> 00:29:37.140 Is that what I heard there? 480 00:29:39.360 --> 00:29:43.900 If you slide it out of number, there will be, in practice, and qualifying. 481 00:29:44.540 --> 00:29:45.660 Unless they can't all make it race. 482 00:29:45.800 --> 00:29:52.140 But we have entered 33 turbocharged Ford engines, 20 turbocharged Off-East. 483 00:29:53.120 --> 00:29:54.100 The one Chevy. 484 00:29:54.860 --> 00:29:57.720 There's a turbocharged Rambler engine back there somewhere. 485 00:30:00.120 --> 00:30:01.240 I'm sure there's a Rambler there. 486 00:30:04.220 --> 00:30:08.700 So those of you who have glasses are the lucky ones right now. 487 00:30:08.900 --> 00:30:12.980 You can watch the minute, detailed preparation of this vehicle. 488 00:30:19.060 --> 00:30:20.660 All right, on the track right now.