WEBVTT 1 00:00:09.720 --> 00:00:12.320 I'm Chuck Kleinhans, I'm a super 8 filmmaker. 2 00:00:12.840 --> 00:00:15.220 I've been going to Chicago filmmakers for 10 years. 3 00:00:15.360 --> 00:00:18.160 I'm one of the first people who used to go there. 4 00:00:18.260 --> 00:00:21.240 It used to be great in the winter over at the Old Name Gallery. 5 00:00:21.620 --> 00:00:27.560 They shut off the heat for the weekend and so when you were inside you had to wear gloves, 6 00:00:27.560 --> 00:00:33.180 you had to wear a hat, you could see your breath in front of your eye, in front of your face. 7 00:00:34.520 --> 00:00:38.920 You really felt like you were a monk of the cinema or something like that, 8 00:00:40.420 --> 00:00:46.680 braving all hardships and physical problems and everything to see the best in avant-garde cinema. 9 00:00:47.520 --> 00:00:53.940 And that was the start of my career really in reviewing and writing about avant-garde film. 10 00:00:53.940 --> 00:01:04.720 And I first saw Yvonne Rayner's first film, Lives of Performers, at that space and wrote about it in Women in Film magazine, 11 00:01:05.080 --> 00:01:09.480 which helped get Rayner's reputation established. 12 00:01:10.640 --> 00:01:17.620 And after that it was nice for Annette Michelson to pick up on Rayner and to write about her in Art Forum. 13 00:01:18.800 --> 00:01:21.440 So actually in that case Chicago was ahead of New York. 14 00:01:21.440 --> 00:01:27.840 We were not second city, we were first city in terms of recognizing that distinguished filmmaker. 15 00:01:45.040 --> 00:01:47.500 A screaming comes across the sky. 16 00:01:47.880 --> 00:01:50.720 It has happened before but there's nothing to compare it to now. 17 00:01:52.280 --> 00:01:53.520 Well that's actually it. 18 00:02:09.500 --> 00:02:20.620 Okay, tell us about marriage, Lisa. 19 00:02:21.460 --> 00:02:25.060 Well considering that I just married an alien homosexual, 20 00:02:25.580 --> 00:02:32.220 I really don't have too much to say about marital bliss but it's pretty good. 21 00:02:32.880 --> 00:02:37.220 We have no fights about money, no fights about sex. 22 00:02:37.340 --> 00:02:40.540 I mean we share the same taste in men, tall, blonde, muscular. 23 00:02:41.000 --> 00:02:42.400 And it sounds a lot like your husband. 24 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:46.700 There's a reason for all this. 25 00:02:47.320 --> 00:02:51.000 Marriage has taught me is the difference between sodomy and the Heimlich maneuver. 26 00:02:51.540 --> 00:02:52.320 And what is that? 27 00:02:52.640 --> 00:02:54.800 I'm not sure but I've got it written down. 28 00:02:55.220 --> 00:02:55.900 Is it... 29 00:02:55.900 --> 00:02:57.420 Can you practice both at once? 30 00:02:58.020 --> 00:03:01.480 You can but neither is as effective. 31 00:03:03.620 --> 00:03:04.980 Now talk quick, camera's still running. 32 00:03:09.900 --> 00:03:09.900 33 00:03:10.720 --> 00:03:13.380 Democrats seem to have more fun but on the other hand, 34 00:03:14.040 --> 00:03:16.080 in the court administration they didn't go out much. 35 00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:18.660 I mean so that was a real problem. 36 00:03:40.700 --> 00:03:41.260 Yes. 37 00:03:42.440 --> 00:03:43.320 That's what... 38 00:03:43.320 --> 00:03:44.980 Do you know, that's what... 39 00:03:46.140 --> 00:03:47.820 Well some human beings don't like to think that they're animals. 40 00:03:47.820 --> 00:03:49.300 What is it, something selection? 41 00:03:49.380 --> 00:03:50.440 Do you think you're like you're an animal? 42 00:03:50.620 --> 00:03:51.060 Yes. 43 00:03:51.720 --> 00:03:54.700 So you've got an animal need every once in a while for children? 44 00:03:58.780 --> 00:04:00.660 Yeah, I mean I'm an animal. 45 00:04:01.100 --> 00:04:05.280 I'm not any different than any animal that you see in the zoo. 46 00:04:05.680 --> 00:04:09.780 They just happen to be inside and I'm supposedly outside and free. 47 00:04:09.780 --> 00:04:14.280 Can we let the record reflect on not aiming or framing? 48 00:04:15.180 --> 00:04:15.720 What's that, Bill? 49 00:04:16.520 --> 00:04:17.640 It's already said. 50 00:04:18.360 --> 00:04:18.760 Okay. 51 00:04:18.900 --> 00:04:20.900 He's not aiming or framing. 52 00:04:32.740 --> 00:04:34.500 Drops, this is for Milos. 53 00:04:35.220 --> 00:04:43.220 Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, 54 00:04:44.300 --> 00:04:52.220 happy birthday dear Milos, happy birthday to you. 55 00:04:52.900 --> 00:04:54.900 Happy birthday, Milos. 56 00:05:04.200 --> 00:05:05.980 Where are you, Milos? 57 00:05:05.980 --> 00:05:07.320 Oh, where are you, Milos? 58 00:05:07.820 --> 00:05:08.960 Where are you, Milos? 59 00:05:09.840 --> 00:05:11.700 So three dozen people showed. 60 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:13.880 He won't participate, he only watches. 61 00:05:14.240 --> 00:05:15.360 Milos only watches. 62 00:05:16.120 --> 00:05:17.660 Big Brother, 1984. 63 00:05:18.780 --> 00:05:20.820 Is this what Fastidz is turning into? 64 00:05:20.820 --> 00:05:22.280 He'll come to our goddamn party. 65 00:05:22.480 --> 00:05:23.760 He'll show it some even. 66 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:50.800 Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, 67 00:05:53.040 --> 00:05:54.040 Stand up. 68 00:05:54.900 --> 00:05:56.300 Stand up for your rights. 69 00:06:00.780 --> 00:06:02.460 You gotta put that in the camera. 70 00:06:07.320 --> 00:06:10.680 This is the head of the son of Caligari's curing. 71 00:06:12.260 --> 00:06:14.560 But see, I would play big nurse. 72 00:06:16.960 --> 00:06:18.360 Look at this guy shooting from the hip. 73 00:06:21.660 --> 00:06:23.960 Who are they? 74 00:06:24.680 --> 00:06:26.380 For my darling. 75 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:33.520 Pick some. 76 00:06:35.760 --> 00:06:36.960 What kind are they? 77 00:06:37.100 --> 00:06:37.960 I have no idea. 78 00:06:38.160 --> 00:06:38.960 You're asking me? 79 00:06:39.760 --> 00:06:40.940 Well, there's some pink kinds. 80 00:06:43.720 --> 00:06:43.780 Hmm. 81 00:06:44.320 --> 00:06:44.900 Not bad. 82 00:06:45.680 --> 00:06:46.300 Do you like them? 83 00:06:47.060 --> 00:06:47.820 My hands are cold. 84 00:06:47.820 --> 00:06:49.680 Here, Bill, take this one. 85 00:06:53.420 --> 00:06:55.600 Here, I really, I'll hold that so you can have it. 86 00:06:55.600 --> 00:06:56.160 Here, chocolate. 87 00:06:57.540 --> 00:06:58.300 Any caramels? 88 00:06:59.140 --> 00:07:01.080 It doesn't take over and over again. 89 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:02.000 90 00:07:02.980 --> 00:07:03.660 Who brought you that? 91 00:07:03.780 --> 00:07:04.380 That was very nice of you. 92 00:07:04.400 --> 00:07:04.700 John. 93 00:07:05.020 --> 00:07:05.440 Isn't that John? 94 00:07:05.440 --> 00:07:06.360 Oh, yes, I know. 95 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:10.200 He's lovely and tender. 96 00:07:11.780 --> 00:07:13.120 How can you make it start again? 97 00:07:13.500 --> 00:07:14.700 He's afraid he'll put a pound on it. 98 00:07:14.740 --> 00:07:15.440 I'll give you this. 99 00:07:19.020 --> 00:07:20.600 Do you have a ride, Adele? 100 00:07:20.600 --> 00:07:28.260 I'll give you that. 101 00:07:31.840 --> 00:07:33.620 Anybody can do it, she can. 102 00:07:34.820 --> 00:07:35.860 Now when? 103 00:07:36.140 --> 00:07:37.760 I said I hope she doesn't come. 104 00:07:43.740 --> 00:07:44.580 No snap. 105 00:07:57.900 --> 00:08:00.040 You know, just by myself. 106 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:05.180 To be, Bill, you didn't film me when I was talking about my need for a job. 107 00:08:05.460 --> 00:08:06.020 Do you have a need? 108 00:08:06.480 --> 00:08:07.700 At points I do. 109 00:08:07.740 --> 00:08:08.580 Right now I don't. 110 00:08:08.580 --> 00:08:10.800 I have a need to be happy for myself. 111 00:08:11.020 --> 00:08:12.440 I have not been happy for a while. 112 00:08:12.600 --> 00:08:16.040 I'm becoming happy and I can't imagine what this is going to sound like when he's. 113 00:08:16.180 --> 00:08:17.460 But two weeks in two. 114 00:08:17.840 --> 00:08:19.680 I don't know if it's going to be two weeks. 115 00:08:19.680 --> 00:08:20.580 I don't have any control. 116 00:08:20.580 --> 00:08:20.580 117 00:08:20.580 --> 00:08:20.580 118 00:08:20.580 --> 00:08:20.580 119 00:08:20.580 --> 00:08:21.080 It's coming all over. 120 00:08:21.400 --> 00:08:23.100 It comes in bouts. 121 00:08:23.860 --> 00:08:24.960 And the bouts get closer. 122 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:26.440 Will you leave it at? 123 00:08:26.760 --> 00:08:27.460 I can't. 124 00:08:27.560 --> 00:08:28.100 I'm not telling. 125 00:08:28.380 --> 00:08:29.060 Yes he does. 126 00:08:29.220 --> 00:08:31.000 You just don't get to feel the need to do that. 127 00:08:31.060 --> 00:08:32.900 There's a lot of men that do. 128 00:08:33.160 --> 00:08:34.360 Feel the need. 129 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:39.800 Because they'll watch my own movies. 130 00:08:43.260 --> 00:08:44.560 That's what kids are for. 131 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:46.620 Come on. 132 00:08:46.620 --> 00:08:53.980 Don't you feel like you have this biological need to have children? 133 00:08:53.980 --> 00:08:54.960 A biological craving. 134 00:08:57.520 --> 00:08:58.300 I felt something. 135 00:08:58.620 --> 00:08:59.400 And that's all. 136 00:09:00.260 --> 00:09:01.380 What do you mean I don't feel it? 137 00:09:02.160 --> 00:09:04.660 But you may sometime or you may never. 138 00:09:06.000 --> 00:09:09.020 Then again you may have children somewhere that you don't even know about. 139 00:09:10.580 --> 00:09:15.300 There are strong bank thieves who come in the middle of the night and catch you at the peak of your realm. 140 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:17.980 Nobody's ever caught my spin. 141 00:09:18.780 --> 00:09:20.600 What do you do with that? 142 00:09:20.920 --> 00:09:21.860 No one. 143 00:09:22.560 --> 00:09:23.620 Get a bank I mean. 144 00:09:27.320 --> 00:09:29.960 If you don't have kids you can't shoot no movies.