WEBVTT 1 00:00:30.100 --> 00:00:33.200 Marvel's yet to do is I would think a sun gun might do it. 2 00:00:33.280 --> 00:00:33.820 I mean, you're small. 3 00:00:33.820 --> 00:00:34.680 No, it's up to you. 4 00:00:35.020 --> 00:00:35.720 You know what you can do. 5 00:00:35.800 --> 00:00:37.060 If you're going to go to 2 Duncan, 6 00:00:37.300 --> 00:00:41.120 just rent a sun gun that has 250 watts, 7 00:00:41.440 --> 00:00:42.880 the 100 watts number. 8 00:00:42.980 --> 00:00:44.000 But you'll bounce it? 9 00:00:44.020 --> 00:00:44.800 You'll bounce it? 10 00:00:45.040 --> 00:00:46.000 Well, this was because of the sun. 11 00:00:46.280 --> 00:00:47.540 It's kind of hooked my neck. 12 00:00:48.680 --> 00:00:49.700 You think this is a bad decision? 13 00:00:50.340 --> 00:00:52.700 Well, I'm just saying, the look is totally different 14 00:00:52.700 --> 00:00:53.620 than what you've ever done. 15 00:00:53.740 --> 00:00:55.180 I think it'll be a bad look. 16 00:00:55.840 --> 00:00:56.200 Hurry? 17 00:00:56.700 --> 00:00:57.800 An event looks. 18 00:00:57.840 --> 00:00:58.240 Yeah. 19 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:00.280 Ready. 20 00:01:02.760 --> 00:01:03.280 Yes. 21 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:03.740 Yes. 22 00:01:04.120 --> 00:01:04.120 23 00:01:04.200 --> 00:01:04.200 24 00:01:04.380 --> 00:01:05.180 Yes, honestly, we're ready. 25 00:01:06.140 --> 00:01:06.220 OK. 26 00:01:06.680 --> 00:01:09.160 Betsy, would you say that Ruth is unappreciated? 27 00:01:10.660 --> 00:01:12.860 Was unappreciated a lot. 28 00:01:13.620 --> 00:01:15.500 I think she knew it, has always known it. 29 00:01:16.860 --> 00:01:20.240 But that's the penalty you pay for being ahead of your time. 30 00:01:20.300 --> 00:01:22.180 You never appreciate it at that point. 31 00:01:22.860 --> 00:01:25.580 And a lot of people whose concept of the ballet 32 00:01:25.580 --> 00:01:29.640 was the powder puff tutu school came to a ballet 33 00:01:29.640 --> 00:01:32.420 to see powder puffs and silver bells, 34 00:01:32.540 --> 00:01:34.700 bolero or something like that. 35 00:01:35.060 --> 00:01:37.620 Frankie and Johnny really stood their hair on end occasionally. 36 00:01:39.660 --> 00:01:42.740 And lots of times, I think they resented it, the public. 37 00:01:44.040 --> 00:01:47.580 But the people who really knew what they were about 38 00:01:47.580 --> 00:01:51.260 and liked the idea of doing something new 39 00:01:51.260 --> 00:01:56.900 and being smart, almost intellectual about an approach 40 00:01:56.900 --> 00:01:59.860 once in a while, like it very much. 41 00:02:00.180 --> 00:02:02.240 Nutcracker, of course, has been the all out success, 42 00:02:02.260 --> 00:02:03.780 the right thing at the right time. 43 00:02:05.140 --> 00:02:06.900 And that pleases her very much. 44 00:02:06.940 --> 00:02:09.640 And she's also pleased because after the first Mary 45 00:02:09.640 --> 00:02:13.100 Widow on television, everybody recognized her on the street. 46 00:02:13.480 --> 00:02:16.420 She did the opening for that and did it so charmingly. 47 00:02:17.860 --> 00:02:21.020 So certainly, everybody adores recognition. 48 00:02:21.200 --> 00:02:23.340 And I think she probably knows. 49 00:02:23.620 --> 00:02:25.880 She didn't always get it for what she did. 50 00:02:25.880 --> 00:02:29.220 But you have to take a chance when you are that sort of person 51 00:02:29.840 --> 00:02:31.400 and take a chance, she did. 52 00:02:32.220 --> 00:02:33.560 Indeed, over and over. 53 00:02:34.540 --> 00:02:38.260 She feels that the fact that she didn't go to New York 54 00:02:38.260 --> 00:02:41.600 made her less appreciated in this country 55 00:02:41.600 --> 00:02:45.900 than she would have been had she been based in New York. 56 00:02:46.520 --> 00:02:47.960 Well, I think that was true. 57 00:02:48.440 --> 00:02:50.720 I think it's very true of anybody. 58 00:02:50.920 --> 00:02:53.220 It's almost even true now in spite of the fact 59 00:02:53.220 --> 00:02:56.200 that television can take you from one part of the country 60 00:02:56.200 --> 00:02:58.060 to the other without any trouble at all. 61 00:02:58.540 --> 00:03:00.680 And people travel more than they did 62 00:03:00.680 --> 00:03:03.000 when she was first establishing her career. 63 00:03:03.040 --> 00:03:04.920 They move faster now and more. 64 00:03:05.820 --> 00:03:07.880 But New York is still it. 65 00:03:08.500 --> 00:03:11.860 It's certainly the art center of the world now. 66 00:03:13.240 --> 00:03:16.260 And dancers in New York, the shows all started there, 67 00:03:16.260 --> 00:03:16.800 for one thing. 68 00:03:16.820 --> 00:03:19.260 That's why dancers, we all had to go there to get a job. 69 00:03:21.060 --> 00:03:23.880 And Ruth did as much as she could for everybody here, 70 00:03:23.880 --> 00:03:26.580 but she couldn't do a year-round thing, which people needed. 71 00:03:28.140 --> 00:03:31.160 New York is the critics' headquarters. 72 00:03:31.380 --> 00:03:33.740 Time magazine, for instance, will write about opera. 73 00:03:33.800 --> 00:03:35.100 They'll write about New York. 74 00:03:35.340 --> 00:03:37.540 Then they'll do the San Francisco opening. 75 00:03:37.600 --> 00:03:39.220 You might as well not exist in Chicago. 76 00:03:39.500 --> 00:03:41.840 And the Lyric is an absolutely magnificent company. 77 00:03:42.460 --> 00:03:44.320 And that happens over and over again. 78 00:03:44.400 --> 00:03:45.940 The second city gets skipped over. 79 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:46.820 We're not even second now. 80 00:03:46.820 --> 00:03:47.560 I guess we're third. 81 00:03:47.560 --> 00:03:52.780 But the things in Chicago have never, any part of it 82 00:03:52.780 --> 00:03:54.800 has never gotten what they deserve. 83 00:03:55.580 --> 00:03:56.680 Sometimes it turns around. 84 00:03:56.760 --> 00:03:58.760 The big art exhibition at Navy Pier, 85 00:03:58.760 --> 00:04:00.720 you know, was supposed to be one of the best in the world. 86 00:04:00.980 --> 00:04:01.880 Yes, art expo. 87 00:04:01.920 --> 00:04:03.140 Yes, that's great. 88 00:04:04.500 --> 00:04:07.660 Ruth has gotten more attention by television 89 00:04:07.660 --> 00:04:10.400 and by working with the regional companies. 90 00:04:11.340 --> 00:04:13.840 The regional companies, I think, are terribly important. 91 00:04:14.160 --> 00:04:16.460 Besides, somebody's got to employ all those dancers that 92 00:04:16.460 --> 00:04:17.380 are getting trained. 93 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:21.020 But New York, yes, it would have made a difference. 94 00:04:22.580 --> 00:04:23.700 Makes a difference to everyone. 95 00:04:24.980 --> 00:04:30.820 Anything else that you can think of, anecdotes, observations? 96 00:04:31.100 --> 00:04:34.980 You are a very shrewd and sensitive woman. 97 00:04:35.160 --> 00:04:36.780 Pretty observer at the passing scene. 98 00:04:37.500 --> 00:04:38.580 And a close observer. 99 00:04:38.660 --> 00:04:40.380 Anything else you want to tell me 100 00:04:40.380 --> 00:04:42.680 and talk about in relation to Ruth or her work or anything? 101 00:04:43.220 --> 00:04:45.760 I was thinking of what you said of her popularity 102 00:04:45.760 --> 00:04:46.900 with the company. 103 00:04:49.120 --> 00:04:54.660 I don't think that they did like her all that much. 104 00:04:54.800 --> 00:04:57.220 I think she was also ahead of them, too. 105 00:04:58.200 --> 00:04:59.020 I thought about that. 106 00:04:59.080 --> 00:05:00.900 I've never considered it before. 107 00:05:01.280 --> 00:05:03.720 I think about the young people who 108 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:05.360 were all around me at the time. 109 00:05:07.640 --> 00:05:13.500 We talk about our frustrations, our modern lesson on Wednesday, 110 00:05:13.500 --> 00:05:15.340 which, of course, turned out to be a boon. 111 00:05:18.420 --> 00:05:21.860 When I saw Frankie and Johnny, I realized 112 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:28.400 how dancers are used and not really shown up. 113 00:05:28.580 --> 00:05:30.880 But after all, you've got to develop your own self. 114 00:05:31.080 --> 00:05:33.040 People aren't supposed to do it for you. 115 00:05:33.700 --> 00:05:35.900 And certainly, we got as much out of all of that experience 116 00:05:35.900 --> 00:05:37.380 as we possibly could. 117 00:05:39.520 --> 00:05:42.000 I think about that very much with her. 118 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:47.340 And also the fact that there was no dance world at that point. 119 00:05:49.560 --> 00:05:51.120 You had to make it. 120 00:05:51.720 --> 00:05:53.980 Dancing now is everybody used to ballet. 121 00:05:54.040 --> 00:05:55.900 Everybody knows exactly what you're talking about. 122 00:05:55.960 --> 00:05:56.800 They have their favorites. 123 00:05:56.880 --> 00:05:57.800 They've seen a few. 124 00:05:58.480 --> 00:05:59.320 Then there weren't any. 125 00:05:59.820 --> 00:06:01.480 There truly and honestly weren't any. 126 00:06:01.540 --> 00:06:02.640 The place was a desert. 127 00:06:03.220 --> 00:06:06.240 When Balanchine went into New York with Lincoln Christie 128 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:08.520 and he started the school and he started the company, 129 00:06:08.700 --> 00:06:09.520 it was new thought. 130 00:06:10.280 --> 00:06:13.400 The ballets were at that lapse. 131 00:06:13.420 --> 00:06:14.760 It was probably a depression too. 132 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:16.440 All in the opera companies. 133 00:06:17.020 --> 00:06:18.840 Then they were occasionally in musicals. 134 00:06:18.920 --> 00:06:20.580 There were a few dancers in musicals 135 00:06:20.580 --> 00:06:22.680 who did very nice work, beautiful work. 136 00:06:22.720 --> 00:06:24.400 Harry Doctor, Paul Hick, and so forth. 137 00:06:24.820 --> 00:06:26.400 But big companies, there were none. 138 00:06:27.260 --> 00:06:29.140 There were no ballerinas to speak of 139 00:06:29.140 --> 00:06:31.120 until the Russians came over in strength 140 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:32.820 and great publicity and whatnot. 141 00:06:33.340 --> 00:06:34.800 And people knew what a ballerina was. 142 00:06:34.940 --> 00:06:37.560 But somebody else had to show them that Americans are slow 143 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:38.900 to take on Americans. 144 00:06:38.900 --> 00:06:40.940 They're a little snobbish that way, or used to be. 145 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:42.040 I think they're getting better now. 146 00:06:42.080 --> 00:06:43.240 I hope we get more chauvinists. 147 00:06:43.300 --> 00:06:44.120 I think it would help. 148 00:06:44.700 --> 00:06:48.220 And a native dancer in Chicago, for heaven's sake. 149 00:06:48.860 --> 00:06:50.680 That was uphill work. 150 00:06:51.440 --> 00:06:52.440 Must have been heartbreaking. 151 00:06:53.720 --> 00:06:55.900 There were good companies here, but they were Russians. 152 00:06:56.100 --> 00:06:58.080 Novikov had the ballet at the opera. 153 00:06:58.520 --> 00:06:59.380 He was Russian. 154 00:07:00.220 --> 00:07:02.120 Prior, Ruth Prior was the little Irish dancer. 155 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:03.260 She was perfectly adorable. 156 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:05.800 She was a native and very popular. 157 00:07:05.960 --> 00:07:07.000 Lovely little dancer. 158 00:07:09.520 --> 00:07:12.500 Pavlina Krancki, both imports, of course. 159 00:07:13.440 --> 00:07:16.360 But a Chicagoan, a Midwestern, an American, 160 00:07:16.520 --> 00:07:17.780 well, that's a problem. 161 00:07:20.420 --> 00:07:23.240 Do you think you understand Ruth Page? 162 00:07:23.580 --> 00:07:25.580 Oh, no, not altogether. 163 00:07:28.660 --> 00:07:29.660 I don't have to. 164 00:07:30.140 --> 00:07:31.520 I like her. 165 00:07:31.880 --> 00:07:33.300 I love her. 166 00:07:34.020 --> 00:07:35.240 But I didn't always. 167 00:07:36.940 --> 00:07:40.160 I think she's a remarkable woman. 168 00:07:40.260 --> 00:07:42.260 And the more remarkable women we have, 169 00:07:42.300 --> 00:07:44.740 the better off we are, I always think. 170 00:07:45.380 --> 00:07:47.040 Recognized remarkable women. 171 00:07:48.680 --> 00:07:50.380 No, I don't understand her. 172 00:07:51.220 --> 00:07:53.400 Very few people understand each other. 173 00:07:53.880 --> 00:07:54.740 We're a world of strangers. 174 00:07:55.940 --> 00:07:59.920 But I mostly know what her reactions are going to be. 175 00:08:00.520 --> 00:08:01.320 No, I don't. 176 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:02.700 I take that back right now. 177 00:08:02.700 --> 00:08:04.600 I simply do not know that she would drive 178 00:08:04.600 --> 00:08:07.400 to Springfield and adore apple trees and barns 179 00:08:08.480 --> 00:08:09.740 and all that kind of thing. 180 00:08:09.980 --> 00:08:12.780 I didn't know that she would be the hit of a lifetime 181 00:08:12.780 --> 00:08:16.460 in Lincoln, Illinois, or at the Lincoln Academy, 182 00:08:16.460 --> 00:08:18.700 for that matter, when she got her doctorate. 183 00:08:19.940 --> 00:08:25.200 The young people and the faculty of Lincoln College 184 00:08:25.200 --> 00:08:28.960 and the townspeople absolutely adored her. 185 00:08:29.240 --> 00:08:30.840 And all she did was talk to them. 186 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:33.460 And she opened her speech by saying, 187 00:08:34.020 --> 00:08:35.460 I've never been in Lincoln before. 188 00:08:35.720 --> 00:08:37.540 As a matter of fact, I've never heard of it. 189 00:08:37.700 --> 00:08:39.460 Now that didn't sound too tactful to me, 190 00:08:39.540 --> 00:08:41.620 but they absolutely adored it. 191 00:08:41.880 --> 00:08:43.220 And she went on from there. 192 00:08:43.700 --> 00:08:45.400 They're still talking about her. 193 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:48.040 She has an impact personality. 194 00:08:49.640 --> 00:08:49.920 She does. 195 00:08:51.520 --> 00:08:51.720 Huh? 196 00:08:51.860 --> 00:08:52.340 You sick? 197 00:08:53.260 --> 00:08:53.500 Yeah. 198 00:08:57.300 --> 00:08:58.360 Bentley was my teacher. 199 00:08:58.440 --> 00:08:59.880 I met him when I was 11. 200 00:08:59.900 --> 00:09:01.880 He came out to teaching at Park. 201 00:09:01.880 --> 00:09:05.200 Dancers had to support themselves by doing other things. 202 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:07.880 And he found his studio in Oak Park 203 00:09:08.440 --> 00:09:12.140 where he decided to, where he was offered a job and took it. 204 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:19.000 He was unusual, a bird to turn up in Oak Park, Illinois, 205 00:09:19.460 --> 00:09:20.880 but he was very popular. 206 00:09:21.500 --> 00:09:24.760 The young people, the children, little adored him, 207 00:09:24.980 --> 00:09:25.980 were scared of him a bit. 208 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:28.660 And he yelled and fumed and made ferocious noises, 209 00:09:28.680 --> 00:09:30.560 but he was the most magnificent dancer. 210 00:09:30.560 --> 00:09:33.240 Taking a class from him was a lecture demonstration. 211 00:09:33.320 --> 00:09:35.520 He talked a lot and he danced a lot, 212 00:09:36.040 --> 00:09:37.780 but he was an excellent teacher. 213 00:09:38.680 --> 00:09:39.880 Mary Kane, the woman he worked for, 214 00:09:39.920 --> 00:09:41.160 was an old friend of my father's. 215 00:09:41.180 --> 00:09:43.480 So my father said and insisted that I go to this school, 216 00:09:43.520 --> 00:09:45.860 so I marched over there and I took a look at Bentley. 217 00:09:45.920 --> 00:09:46.900 Who was gorgeous? 218 00:09:46.920 --> 00:09:50.920 And I thought, well, I think this is going to be all right. 219 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:52.700 He was really stunning man 220 00:09:52.700 --> 00:09:54.840 and terribly interesting, most amusing, 221 00:09:55.220 --> 00:09:58.140 and remained a good close friend of mine to the end. 222 00:09:58.140 --> 00:10:00.720 He was, at a time when there was no place 223 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:03.600 for a male classical dancer practically in the world, 224 00:10:05.040 --> 00:10:06.520 a great dancer. 225 00:10:07.080 --> 00:10:09.140 His technique was impeccable. 226 00:10:09.740 --> 00:10:13.000 He had unusual feet for a man, he had unusual turns, 227 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:14.520 he was spectacular looking. 228 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:19.700 He was an unusual male dancer, the cheekbones, 229 00:10:20.020 --> 00:10:22.040 the slightly slanted, you know, the type. 230 00:10:22.380 --> 00:10:23.740 They all look like that, the good ones. 231 00:10:23.800 --> 00:10:25.320 I can't understand why it's a type. 232 00:10:25.320 --> 00:10:29.160 Anyway, with his wonderful classical dancing, 233 00:10:29.320 --> 00:10:31.800 of course he was doing all of these other things with Ruth. 234 00:10:32.500 --> 00:10:35.380 And his close friends, his friends, 235 00:10:35.540 --> 00:10:38.240 anyone was always saying to him, why do you do this? 236 00:10:38.260 --> 00:10:40.540 You should be out doing your own work. 237 00:10:40.640 --> 00:10:43.820 And he was forever hearing this story. 238 00:10:43.900 --> 00:10:45.380 You shouldn't be working with Ruth, 239 00:10:45.500 --> 00:10:47.860 you should be doing your own wonderful classical work. 240 00:10:48.260 --> 00:10:50.360 She gave him a chance to do some, 241 00:10:50.700 --> 00:10:53.200 but the big thrust of course was both of them, 242 00:10:53.500 --> 00:10:54.420 was the new thing. 243 00:10:54.420 --> 00:10:56.820 He was, as I said, an intellectual, 244 00:10:56.880 --> 00:10:57.860 he was an intellectual. 245 00:10:58.060 --> 00:11:03.180 He was well read, well versed, deeply musical, 246 00:11:03.900 --> 00:11:07.460 a really remarkable man, and very amusing. 247 00:11:09.040 --> 00:11:11.340 And he liked what he was doing, 248 00:11:11.420 --> 00:11:13.400 and he certainly made a free choice 249 00:11:14.140 --> 00:11:15.180 with working with Ruth. 250 00:11:15.460 --> 00:11:16.680 He enjoyed every minute of it, 251 00:11:16.680 --> 00:11:18.920 and he did like her very, very much. 252 00:11:20.440 --> 00:11:21.980 Are you gonna tell me that story? 253 00:11:22.560 --> 00:11:23.040 No. 254 00:11:23.040 --> 00:11:24.840 About what Tom Fisher did for you? 255 00:11:25.180 --> 00:11:25.180 256 00:11:25.180 --> 00:11:28.900 Oh, you can't even tell it in terms of, okay. 257 00:11:28.900 --> 00:11:31.300 No, I'm not, but he was a dear friend, 258 00:11:32.300 --> 00:11:34.260 and I liked him very much. 259 00:11:34.980 --> 00:11:35.620 Were you there? 260 00:11:35.620 --> 00:11:36.740 I miss him very much. 261 00:11:37.340 --> 00:11:40.520 Were you there at his funeral, the party, Ruth? 262 00:11:40.520 --> 00:11:42.680 Didn't have a funeral, oh yes, Tom's party. 263 00:11:43.600 --> 00:11:46.420 Start and say, Tom Fisher didn't have a funeral, 264 00:11:46.660 --> 00:11:47.620 and then tell us the story. 265 00:11:48.540 --> 00:11:50.260 Tom Fisher didn't have a funeral. 266 00:11:51.060 --> 00:11:53.580 He apparently wanted one, he had none. 267 00:11:54.740 --> 00:11:56.980 But Ruth had a party, she called it Tom's party, 268 00:11:57.560 --> 00:12:00.280 and she had a big reception one night at her apartment, 269 00:12:00.300 --> 00:12:01.860 which was at 1100, you know, 270 00:12:02.140 --> 00:12:04.160 that building was unfortunately now gone. 271 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:07.300 And all of his old friends were there, 272 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:10.080 and it was a lovely, lovely party. 273 00:12:10.900 --> 00:12:13.260 It was a terribly sad time for her. 274 00:12:13.320 --> 00:12:16.400 She used to walk on the beach at night, 275 00:12:16.780 --> 00:12:18.600 she couldn't sleep, she was very lonely. 276 00:12:19.280 --> 00:12:22.620 And Brooks and I were not married too long at that point, 277 00:12:22.640 --> 00:12:26.500 and I was always regretful we didn't call her more often. 278 00:12:26.580 --> 00:12:28.860 I wasn't in the habit of that, 279 00:12:29.120 --> 00:12:32.480 and didn't realize that she was having a very bad time. 280 00:12:32.520 --> 00:12:36.400 She always seemed so busy, so occupied, so well traveled. 281 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:38.020 She was always off somewhere. 282 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:40.820 But then we began going to movies together. 283 00:12:40.940 --> 00:12:42.980 Ruth and Tom always went to movies, they loved movies. 284 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:45.700 And so when Brooks and I were loose, 285 00:12:45.700 --> 00:12:48.760 we'd always call Ruth and we'd go over to a movie. 286 00:12:50.400 --> 00:12:52.720 But Tom was a great loss for us. 287 00:12:52.840 --> 00:12:56.540 Brooks liked him, he knew us as short a time as he knew him, 288 00:12:56.800 --> 00:12:57.940 liked him very much. 289 00:12:58.420 --> 00:13:02.000 And Tom was very, very pleased to finally have me 290 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:04.140 settle down with the man he approved of. 291 00:13:04.660 --> 00:13:07.860 He was very pleased, and told me so. 292 00:13:09.280 --> 00:13:11.860 Which of course, I repeated to Brooks promptly, 293 00:13:12.020 --> 00:13:13.920 who was very pleased by the whole thing. 294 00:13:14.760 --> 00:13:15.820 God is blessing. 295 00:13:16.700 --> 00:13:17.400 Well that's good. 296 00:13:19.200 --> 00:13:21.580 Did you spend any time with Ruth when she had 297 00:13:21.580 --> 00:13:24.460 that hip surgery, those two muggies? 298 00:13:24.700 --> 00:13:27.680 Oh, sorry, immediately after both of them of course, 299 00:13:27.760 --> 00:13:29.040 because they were so shocking. 300 00:13:29.800 --> 00:13:32.020 That was the most despicable thing in the world. 301 00:13:32.200 --> 00:13:34.580 Ruth's a tiny person, always has been. 302 00:13:34.620 --> 00:13:37.780 She's got energy, like mad, but she's small. 303 00:13:38.660 --> 00:13:41.220 And I think that's the most despicable thing 304 00:13:41.220 --> 00:13:42.200 to have happen to her. 305 00:13:42.760 --> 00:13:44.420 Trice is absolutely awful. 306 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:47.600 Of course, she's the one for taking chances. 307 00:13:47.940 --> 00:13:50.340 Now she was East Lakeshore Drive, the last one, 308 00:13:50.760 --> 00:13:54.420 and walking home alone from the Drake, up to her apartment. 309 00:13:56.100 --> 00:13:57.360 It was totally unexpected. 310 00:13:57.560 --> 00:13:59.160 The first one was in broad daylight. 311 00:14:00.900 --> 00:14:02.420 Bentley said afterwards, 312 00:14:02.600 --> 00:14:04.240 Ruth is always dressed to the teeth 313 00:14:04.240 --> 00:14:05.880 and walking through a bad neighborhood, 314 00:14:05.980 --> 00:14:07.320 she should be more careful. 315 00:14:07.860 --> 00:14:09.520 She's not the careful type. 316 00:14:09.520 --> 00:14:11.600 She is now, she's better about it. 317 00:14:12.820 --> 00:14:15.540 But she's a spectacular looking woman, 318 00:14:15.740 --> 00:14:20.240 and she was walking west of here. 319 00:14:22.640 --> 00:14:24.620 Not particularly dangerous neighborhood, 320 00:14:24.660 --> 00:14:26.200 I never think twice about it. 321 00:14:26.800 --> 00:14:28.600 But it's that kind of a world. 322 00:14:29.200 --> 00:14:32.580 But she came back from both of them 323 00:14:32.580 --> 00:14:34.320 in absolutely elegant form, 324 00:14:34.380 --> 00:14:35.880 of course most dancers do that. 325 00:14:35.880 --> 00:14:39.300 Ben had a dreadful operation when he was in the Army, 326 00:14:39.940 --> 00:14:42.280 danced after that, it was never quite the same, 327 00:14:43.160 --> 00:14:45.120 because it was a nearly fatal thing. 328 00:14:45.520 --> 00:14:48.000 He had knee operations, and the next morning 329 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:50.140 when his doctor came in, he was up doing a bar 330 00:14:50.140 --> 00:14:51.300 at the end of the bed. 331 00:14:52.080 --> 00:14:53.660 You see, it's that kind of a thing. 332 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:55.100 Ruth's the same way. 333 00:14:56.700 --> 00:14:58.680 The muggings and the hip operation 334 00:14:58.680 --> 00:15:01.500 only slowed her temporarily, and she was back at it. 335 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:02.780 You know, dare stop, you know, 336 00:15:02.780 --> 00:15:04.540 if you're going to keep going, you've got to keep moving. 337 00:15:06.860 --> 00:15:08.340 Okay, anything else? 338 00:15:08.700 --> 00:15:09.540 I don't think so. 339 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:11.420 Okay, thank you, that's it.