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Remember Belly...

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We left this house in Long Island to Barbara Horgan.

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We left nothing to Tammy, but Kirsten has been taking care of her all these years anyway.

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She's well taken care of.

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But the longest part are lists of ballets and who would own them.

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That means to be set anywhere they could go sell.

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Because he always gave his ballets away.

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He never charged anybody any money for them.

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Well, they have to pay the person who comes to do it.

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Oh yes, it works.

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You pay the person who actually does the staging.

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The balance sheet didn't get any money.

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He gave them all away.

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I know.

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But they had to pay the person who came to do it.

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I know.

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And now they have to pay royalties to the person who owns it.

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So that's the way he left them.

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So that was the kind of request that he left to people in his company.

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Oh yeah, there's long lists of that.

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But I don't think he ever got any royalties.

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I don't know. He didn't at first, but towards the end I don't really know.

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And to all of the former wives.

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But no, nothing to Maria Tolti.

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Unless he's married to somebody rich enough.

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He doesn't have to.

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And Tammy's taken care of it.

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Tamara Java, who lives in this, is still active in the theater.

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Zorina is the one that he had an obsession for.

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Who?

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Zorina.

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Oh, Zorina.

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Bernard Tapper.

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I wish they wouldn't do it.

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That's how he wouldn't do anything for a couple years.

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And would go out two in the morning to stand outside her apartment building

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to see her come and go because she wouldn't have anything to do with him.

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Did you know that went down?

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No one ever heard of that.

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She was the only one that told him off.

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Although he remained friendly with him.

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I know he was crazy about Zorina because I was

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and he married Maria.

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I went on a taxi with him one day, some place, and my God.

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That is it.

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He once said, I was saying to Ruth, that a ballet should be like a butterfly.

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That was Tamara Karsovina who said it.

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She said, ballerina like butterfly, short summer.

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That's beautiful.

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How about a ballet like a butterfly?

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I think you did say a ballet like a butterfly.

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I never heard him say that.

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I don't know if he said that.

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Do I at the end of the day?

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Well, ballet is like writing it on water.

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It's like the wind writing it on water.

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Oh, so sad, isn't it, all this?

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I can't think of anything cheerful to say after all this conversation.

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I have one last question.

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Would you please describe Anne Barzell?

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Oh, well I think she's a very, very extraordinary person.

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First of all, she's got a wonderful memory.

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She has a good taste.

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She sees everything.

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Anne doesn't, she'll go to the ends of the world to see something.

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And how many dance critics will do that?

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And she likes the dancers and she likes, she's interested in everything.

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She's very kind, I think almost too kind.

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But that's because she likes all the dancers so much and likes the choreographers and likes

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to go to the ballet.

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And I think she's a very rare, extraordinary person.

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She's not kind.

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The point is that things aren't good.

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I just avoid them.

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That's right.

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And there's so many good things to pay attention to.

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That's true.

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That's a very philosophy.

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The other thing is, you mentioned about choreography, not lasting dances.

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Then you mentioned memory.

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That's where dance remains.

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The only thing in the world you can really own are your memories.

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It can take everything away from you.

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You've got your memories.

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I don't know, I can't remember anything.

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You do have memories of dancers, of things that happened and so on.

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And what moves makes, you want to pick that up and then we'll do the rest.

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What makes Ann a good girlfriend?

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I don't know.

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You have a sympathy for certain people and certain people you don't.

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We've known each other a long time.

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We're interested in the same thing.

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And I just think she's a marvelous person.

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My husband liked her equally well.

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So she liked my husband.

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So everything is fine.

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Like both husbands?

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Yeah, both husbands.

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She likes Andre too.

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I always forget about him.

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We've only been married not even two years yet.

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So it's a good friendship?

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Yes, it's an appreciation of the same things.

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We both love to dance and that's it.

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I can always call Ann up and say,

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will you do this with me right now?

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She always says yes.

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I like that about her very much.

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I had other plans for today.

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She said, will you come over too?

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I said yes.

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It's one. Will you come on one?

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Yes.

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That's very unusual.

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I don't think I have any other girlfriend.

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I'll say, let's go to Benton Harbor to see such and such.

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She'll say yes.

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She's always ready to go see something.

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That's what the world is all about.

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See what's going on.

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I can't get Andre to go to anything.

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I guarantee that it's going to be good.

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Ann will always take a chance.

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I'd prefer to go with Ann than to go with Andre.

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We're so delighted you came today.

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We're all set.

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There are just a couple of people.

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Who is he?

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I haven't seen him for a couple of weeks.

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He must be okay.

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You know him, Patrick Henry?

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He's very attractive.

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Yes, I've met him.

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When I was at the old New York Arts Council,

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he was there.

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I get to know him.

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He likes dance.

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He's unattached.

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If I need somebody, he's available.

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It's very difficult when I'm here without Andre.

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For a long time, I was alone without time.

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I didn't have no home to invite to go places with you.

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Dick Carter, you go with sometimes, don't you?

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Once in a blue moon.

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I like him.

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He always works late.

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There's always some reason.

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I haven't anybody really.

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The steady that I go out with.

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We go together very often.

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If we need a man, then we get Patrick.

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He has no car, so Ruth rents the car and Patrick can drive.

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He does that to go to Milwaukee.

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That works fine.

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That's nice.

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It's nice that you can do that.

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I used to have a...

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When I worked on the American, I did the nightclub thing too.

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I had a list of people that were available.

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I keep a list now too.

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See you in there for a second, Thea.

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You can sit a little.

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She's a very pretty girl.

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She used to go to school.

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Her mother was one of my closest friends.

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When I taught school.

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She was already teaching.

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She would tell me the ropes.

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Then she quit when...

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You want us to talk or just...

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Just talk to one another please.

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She quit when Sybil was born.

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Sybil's father is my eye doctor.

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He's an ophthalmologist.

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Sybil had a very unfortunate life.

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Who's she marrying?

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A gay boy.

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He didn't know about it.

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He must have been old.

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He doesn't ever say anything.

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She doesn't know that I know either.

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Hold on a minute.

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Stand there for a second.

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They're so interrelated.

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They're so mixed up.

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Which is ballet, which is mops.

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She doesn't like things that momem.

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She won't go near that.

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She didn't care too much for Paul Taylor.

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It's all alike.

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It's to be true.

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Yes, that's true.

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I do think that's true.

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I'm not out yet today.

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A little bit only in my...

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You two should be talking amongst yourselves.

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What else?

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I think we've talked about everything.

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What are you going to do this summer?

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I don't know yet.

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I did want to go to Hamburg again.

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I was thinking of it.

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Also, because I've given so many books to the

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dance life there of Israel.

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Just a little bit, honey.

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You won't want to go to Israel again?

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I don't want anymore.

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I've got enough wine.

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I don't know if I want to go.

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Audrey wants to go to Russia.

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I don't want to go to Russia.

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I don't want to go to Russia.

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I don't ever want to go there again.

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I don't like their attitude towards Americans.

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They sneer.

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Here's a little girl from Hoopston, Illinois.

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Dance really does bring you to different places.

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Yes, it really does.

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She said now she's been speaking Italian.

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Because she has to.

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She's gone all over.

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When they had that

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teacher seminar, Jackson,

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had all those teachers.

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She came and took notes.

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She probably is teaching very well.

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I imagine so.

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You know that pretty Swedish

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girl that's at your school now.

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What's her name?

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She's a little bit of a Hannonian.

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She had studied with

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not at the Royal Ballet

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School, but she had taught

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at some other school a couple

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times a week.

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Isn't she an attractive girl?

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She likes jazz.

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She took a few classes with Linda Marth.

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She looked wonderful.

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Of course, you know how these

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Swedish girls are.

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In London, she met this

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very nice-looking American boy.

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She comes with David Lavery.

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He's a lawyer.

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Is she married to him?

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No, they just live together.

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Can I have a request that Ruth,

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can you talk to Ann, please?

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I just need to shut up.

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I'm going to talk to her.

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Ann, let's see.

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There's a lot to do this summer.

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I'm not sure what we're going to do.

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I really don't want to leave

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while the summer school is still on.

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I want to go up to J.H.H.

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I haven't been there for eight years.

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I was there when you put on Alice in Wonderland.

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That was a million years ago.

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I've been there since.

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Liz Thompson was here yesterday.

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I said that we'd like to come up there for a week

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if we could find a place to live.

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If there was anything interesting going on there.

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Last year, we had a house,

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it was two hours away.

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It was a marvelous house.

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My nephew was with us.

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I was there for a week.

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He drove us everywhere.

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We had a nice time.

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We drove all over the bookshelves.

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I love Chicago this summer.

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I hate to leave

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just when the ballad season is starting out there in Revenia.

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I don't know.

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The ballad doesn't come until August.

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It'll be a week of San Francisco.

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A week of Hubbard Street.

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Do you know the dates?

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It's August.

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We won't leave.

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Third week in August.

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The last week in August.

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Beginning of September for Hubbard Street.

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It's so hard to get out there now.

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It's not too much for us.