WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:00.000 2 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:30.000 3 00:00:58.900 --> 00:00:59.900 I'm really interested. 4 00:01:01.700 --> 00:01:04.420 Now the one that I'm trying to remember, Il ballo di... 5 00:01:04.420 --> 00:01:05.500 Del'angate. 6 00:01:05.940 --> 00:01:07.480 Il ballo delle ingrate. 7 00:01:07.820 --> 00:01:09.240 That's the one I was trying to remember. 8 00:01:09.320 --> 00:01:12.200 That was the one that Carol Lawrence had done for lyric. 9 00:01:13.020 --> 00:01:13.560 Oh, in the one? 10 00:01:13.560 --> 00:01:14.540 In the L.A. at the Amgrace. 11 00:01:14.600 --> 00:01:15.580 Sure, you did the... 12 00:01:15.580 --> 00:01:16.520 Whose music was that? 13 00:01:17.000 --> 00:01:20.640 Carol Lawrence was in that and Jamie Bachman, that was done for lyric. 14 00:01:21.140 --> 00:01:22.440 I can't remember the music. 15 00:01:22.580 --> 00:01:24.060 That's when I was trying to remember her name. 16 00:01:24.080 --> 00:01:24.900 In the ballo del'angate. 17 00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:25.940 Done for the lyric. 18 00:01:26.720 --> 00:01:30.040 Tell us about what you remember about the Triumph of Chastity. 19 00:01:30.940 --> 00:01:32.940 I can tell you, I remember everything about that. 20 00:01:36.380 --> 00:01:38.980 It's a marvelous part for a boy. 21 00:01:42.260 --> 00:01:48.440 This girl, only a girl who is a virgin can tempt him, you see. 22 00:01:49.600 --> 00:01:51.440 And who did that part first? 23 00:01:51.580 --> 00:01:52.520 I never had a boy. 24 00:01:52.760 --> 00:01:54.020 John Whittmer did the boy. 25 00:01:54.020 --> 00:01:58.780 He wasn't strong, but it should have been Nereith in there or somebody. 26 00:01:59.840 --> 00:02:04.200 I never was satisfied with that ballet because I didn't have the right people to dance it. 27 00:02:04.400 --> 00:02:07.960 But the L'Anne Orphanage part was marvelous, the music was marvelous. 28 00:02:08.560 --> 00:02:13.380 And the idea was interesting, but I couldn't get the right people to dance it. 29 00:02:13.820 --> 00:02:16.360 The idea was the story of the unicorn and the maiden. 30 00:02:16.440 --> 00:02:17.060 That's right. 31 00:02:18.340 --> 00:02:19.880 And you remember seeing it, Anne? 32 00:02:20.400 --> 00:02:24.280 Oh yes, I remember the sets especially because that was outstanding. 33 00:02:24.940 --> 00:02:28.880 And of course the unicorn idea for the chastity. 34 00:02:29.760 --> 00:02:31.280 The costumes were very good. 35 00:02:31.780 --> 00:02:32.020 Who did that? 36 00:02:32.020 --> 00:02:33.600 It was like mountains of the moon. 37 00:02:35.140 --> 00:02:37.720 The setting was not an earthly thing. 38 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:40.160 Wasn't it supposed to be mountains? 39 00:02:40.400 --> 00:02:42.200 Whether it was supposed to be or not, that's what I got. 40 00:02:42.520 --> 00:02:43.360 Yes, they were. 41 00:02:45.080 --> 00:02:46.860 And what about, did you see Camille? 42 00:02:47.860 --> 00:02:50.880 Oh, that was another one of Ruth's great ballets. 43 00:02:51.360 --> 00:02:53.460 I put Camille up there with the top ones. 44 00:02:54.220 --> 00:02:57.000 That was such an improvement on La Traviata. 45 00:02:57.480 --> 00:03:05.600 You actually don't realize how good the Verdi music is until you subtract the counter-walling sopranos 46 00:03:05.600 --> 00:03:09.480 and let the orchestra play the music and suddenly it was wonderful. 47 00:03:09.480 --> 00:03:18.380 And of course the leading character, being a dancer, looked much more consumptive than any singer could be. 48 00:03:19.060 --> 00:03:22.820 Now among those who danced the role, Marjorie Tallchief was very wonderful. 49 00:03:23.720 --> 00:03:25.280 Patricia Klekovich was great. 50 00:03:25.980 --> 00:03:29.840 Maria did it. She wasn't too hot, but she did it. 51 00:03:30.240 --> 00:03:30.700 Rockford. 52 00:03:31.480 --> 00:03:37.040 Well, she went on because her sister had to be weakly, so she did it for her sister. 53 00:03:37.540 --> 00:03:39.120 Marjorie was wonderful in that. 54 00:03:39.820 --> 00:03:41.720 That, the decor was great also. 55 00:03:41.840 --> 00:03:43.720 That was my favorite, all my ballets. 56 00:03:44.500 --> 00:03:46.000 Who did the set, Susan? 57 00:03:47.920 --> 00:03:48.900 Was it Vykovich? 58 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:49.920 Vykovich, I think. 59 00:03:50.280 --> 00:03:51.920 I should know. Actually, you're right. 60 00:03:52.040 --> 00:03:54.400 I think it's Vykovich. Was it Clave? No, it wasn't Clave. 61 00:03:54.700 --> 00:03:56.860 No, no. Wait a minute. Yes, it was. 62 00:03:56.980 --> 00:03:58.700 No, Clave did Susanna and the Barber. 63 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:03.920 He did that too, but I think he did the... I think it was Clave. 64 00:04:04.160 --> 00:04:05.240 He did Camille as well. 65 00:04:05.360 --> 00:04:06.200 I think so. 66 00:04:06.860 --> 00:04:13.620 I'd have to look it up and see. Armand was... Ken Johnson did very well in that. 67 00:04:14.160 --> 00:04:17.560 I still remember the little girls' costumes were so good in that. 68 00:04:17.680 --> 00:04:20.320 You had both Jeannie Beaver and Gene Armand. 69 00:04:20.620 --> 00:04:23.340 They had a wonderful bunch of young dancers in that. 70 00:04:24.660 --> 00:04:26.080 Well, they're all gone. 71 00:04:27.080 --> 00:04:33.080 The music, though, for that, Ruth, the music from Traviata is wonderfully melodic for dancing. 72 00:04:33.080 --> 00:04:38.400 Yes, but you see, what you have to do, you don't just say, I'm going to do Traviata and use the music as it is. 73 00:04:38.860 --> 00:04:42.420 Oh, it's a terrible job to make it over into a ballet score. 74 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:44.200 Did Isaac Batgrove do some of yours? 75 00:04:44.200 --> 00:04:46.840 Yes, he did them all for me, almost all of them. 76 00:04:47.580 --> 00:04:53.120 He knew opera so well that he knew how to make it into a ballet. 77 00:04:53.220 --> 00:04:55.060 He knew ballet very well too. 78 00:04:55.740 --> 00:05:00.980 We have all the correspondence about how we did all those various operas. 79 00:05:00.980 --> 00:05:03.400 He was a great big help to me on those. 80 00:05:03.980 --> 00:05:07.000 They were lots of fun to do because the music is great, of course. 81 00:05:07.880 --> 00:05:12.400 Why did you choose Camille for one of your opera into ballets, ballets? 82 00:05:13.320 --> 00:05:18.060 What especially about Camille made it, about Traviata made it right for you? 83 00:05:18.300 --> 00:05:22.240 Well, I liked the story, I liked the music, and I liked everything about it. 84 00:05:22.540 --> 00:05:27.520 Ruth was so connected with opera for several decades. 85 00:05:27.740 --> 00:05:29.020 Yeah, I was always an opera fan. 86 00:05:29.020 --> 00:05:31.140 The other thing, she did opera ballets. 87 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:35.700 There's the Samson and Delilah, the big Bacchanal, those things. 88 00:05:35.700 --> 00:05:37.280 That was very much part of her. 89 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:41.940 Which was the one when you came walking in on the boys like steps? 90 00:05:42.080 --> 00:05:45.500 Was that Thaïs? No? Or Lacmi, one of the two? 91 00:05:45.680 --> 00:05:46.800 Wasn't it Salome? 92 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:48.420 Salome? 93 00:05:48.420 --> 00:05:49.120 Sounds like Salome. 94 00:05:49.780 --> 00:05:50.420 No, wasn't Salome. 95 00:05:50.780 --> 00:05:51.580 Thaïs, no? 96 00:05:51.780 --> 00:05:52.660 I think it was Thaïs. 97 00:05:52.660 --> 00:05:54.060 Thaïs, probably. I think it was Thaïs. 98 00:05:54.080 --> 00:05:56.320 The ballerina came walking in on the thighs. 99 00:05:56.320 --> 00:06:01.840 She was the elegant person in the thing. 100 00:06:02.320 --> 00:06:03.660 There were these slave boys. 101 00:06:04.400 --> 00:06:06.260 I don't think it was Thaïs. 102 00:06:06.260 --> 00:06:07.560 I remember the boys suffered. 103 00:06:07.880 --> 00:06:08.920 Yeah, I bet they did. 104 00:06:09.580 --> 00:06:11.680 But we all suffered in our time. 105 00:06:12.080 --> 00:06:13.000 I had to do the various things. 106 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:15.000 But it was wonderful opera ballet. 107 00:06:15.540 --> 00:06:20.420 I was going to the opera, and I still go to the lyric during the time when you were 108 00:06:20.420 --> 00:06:23.400 choreographing the dance within the opera. 109 00:06:26.300 --> 00:06:28.300 And it's not nearly as good. 110 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:34.440 Well, there are very few choreographers who want to do it, who will do it. 111 00:06:34.460 --> 00:06:38.640 Because they have a style of their own, and they want to impose their style on the opera, 112 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:39.760 which is all wrong. 113 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:41.500 You can't do that. 114 00:06:43.100 --> 00:06:44.580 It's just not possible. 115 00:06:44.620 --> 00:06:47.660 And that's why there are not very many good opera ballets, I think. 116 00:06:47.660 --> 00:06:50.800 I think it's because the choreographers won't do it. 117 00:06:50.900 --> 00:06:52.100 I had to do it. 118 00:06:53.580 --> 00:06:56.600 I would have preferred doing all great big ballets, of course. 119 00:06:56.760 --> 00:06:59.120 But I enjoyed doing the operas because I like opera. 120 00:06:59.600 --> 00:07:00.540 I love opera. 121 00:07:02.660 --> 00:07:05.520 And I was in every opera company here. 122 00:07:05.980 --> 00:07:07.400 I was 18 years with the Lyric. 123 00:07:07.500 --> 00:07:09.760 And before that, I was with every company here. 124 00:07:09.920 --> 00:07:11.200 And I started out at Ravignan. 125 00:07:11.260 --> 00:07:12.660 That was a great opera company. 126 00:07:13.060 --> 00:07:14.200 Everybody's forgotten that. 127 00:07:14.200 --> 00:07:16.740 That was when I first got married and came here. 128 00:07:16.740 --> 00:07:20.220 And that was for seven years under Louis Eckstein. 129 00:07:20.240 --> 00:07:21.640 That was fun. You had fun doing that. 130 00:07:21.640 --> 00:07:24.060 That was Sunday matinees with Cinderella. 131 00:07:24.200 --> 00:07:24.640 Yes. 132 00:07:24.860 --> 00:07:25.240 And Elton John. 133 00:07:25.240 --> 00:07:26.520 That's a pro-Consi of one. 134 00:07:26.760 --> 00:07:29.680 Marcel Delanoi was a French composer. 135 00:07:31.520 --> 00:07:33.940 Did you do Eastward and Sold out there? 136 00:07:34.080 --> 00:07:34.320 No. 137 00:07:34.320 --> 00:07:35.200 Or was that at the Goodman? 138 00:07:35.500 --> 00:07:36.820 I think that was at the Goodman. 139 00:07:36.820 --> 00:07:43.140 He had a very interesting guest artist, including Paul Draper for American and Paris. 140 00:07:43.140 --> 00:07:44.300 Oh, yes. 141 00:07:45.320 --> 00:07:46.580 Does that name mean anything to you? 142 00:07:46.580 --> 00:07:47.420 Yes, it does. 143 00:07:47.720 --> 00:07:51.060 Well, then there was Blake Scott who did some things with you. 144 00:07:53.100 --> 00:07:54.500 And York Fasting. 145 00:07:54.560 --> 00:07:55.040 Yes. 146 00:07:55.820 --> 00:07:56.420 That's the name. 147 00:07:56.620 --> 00:07:58.180 That's J-O-R-G. 148 00:07:58.600 --> 00:07:59.580 York Fasting. 149 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:03.320 A Norwegian dancer who's still teaching now in Ohio. 150 00:08:03.600 --> 00:08:04.120 That's right. 151 00:08:05.780 --> 00:08:07.720 Do you remember Susanna and the Barber? 152 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:08.800 The Barber of Seville. 153 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:10.020 Rose. 154 00:08:10.300 --> 00:08:11.560 With Susanna and the Barber. 155 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:16.220 Yes, with Claude A. Design, the sets and the costumes. 156 00:08:16.220 --> 00:08:17.400 Well, that was wonderful decor. 157 00:08:17.520 --> 00:08:19.740 I just saw that Mandel Hall one time. 158 00:08:19.980 --> 00:08:24.100 In fact, I'm the one that, remember, I took some silent pictures of that somewhere. 159 00:08:24.320 --> 00:08:25.060 You've got those. 160 00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:27.640 Those were wonderful costumes and things. 161 00:08:27.640 --> 00:08:29.200 It was a real fun thing also. 162 00:08:30.700 --> 00:08:35.340 She got the fun out of that, which you don't often get in the Barber of Seville. 163 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:38.640 There's so much bellowing you don't know how funny it is really. 164 00:08:38.640 --> 00:08:40.400 It's an indoor dancing lesson, you see. 165 00:08:40.460 --> 00:08:41.520 It's perfectly logical. 166 00:08:42.420 --> 00:08:44.820 It was fun and it was a very good ballet. 167 00:08:45.240 --> 00:08:50.240 Unfortunately, it was very difficult to take on tour because the sets and the costumes. 168 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:51.260 It was too elaborate, yeah. 169 00:08:51.520 --> 00:08:54.820 And I think that's the reason you finally took it out of the repertory. 170 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:55.280 That's right. 171 00:08:55.320 --> 00:09:00.660 It was so hard to do it in a scaled down version and look at it and it just made you sad. 172 00:09:01.500 --> 00:09:05.920 Aren't some of those things in the school now decorating the staircase? 173 00:09:06.620 --> 00:09:07.140 Yes. 174 00:09:07.660 --> 00:09:09.900 The bowl of the Carmen. 175 00:09:10.500 --> 00:09:12.120 That bowl said it was from Carmen. 176 00:09:12.380 --> 00:09:13.200 That was Remesov's Carmen. 177 00:09:13.240 --> 00:09:14.420 That was the first one I did. 178 00:09:14.740 --> 00:09:15.460 It's interesting. 179 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:22.580 The famous artists who have designed things for Ruth, starting with, not starting with, 180 00:09:22.580 --> 00:09:26.780 going way back to Noguchi, but even remembering now Remesov did some wonderful things. 181 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:27.480 Marvellous. 182 00:09:27.880 --> 00:09:31.400 Yes, Remesov, Noguchi, Clave, Delphos. 183 00:09:31.500 --> 00:09:32.020 Delphos. 184 00:09:32.380 --> 00:09:32.900 Vykovich. 185 00:09:32.900 --> 00:09:34.800 For the last 20 years it's been my ballet. 186 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:38.480 Who did Heria, remember that at all? 187 00:09:38.820 --> 00:09:39.380 Remesov. 188 00:09:39.700 --> 00:09:40.800 Oh yeah, he did all of those. 189 00:09:42.880 --> 00:09:50.120 If you had to describe, as you say Ruth's choreography varies from ballet to ballet, 190 00:09:50.240 --> 00:09:57.680 but if you had to describe the things, regardless of the mode in which Ruth was working, how 191 00:09:57.680 --> 00:09:58.520 would you characterize? 192 00:09:58.540 --> 00:10:00.880 It had dramatic structure almost always. 193 00:10:01.300 --> 00:10:02.180 Dramatic structure. 194 00:10:02.180 --> 00:10:10.500 Whether it was Camille or whether, now she did not use exactly the same structure as 195 00:10:10.500 --> 00:10:11.440 the opera always. 196 00:10:11.820 --> 00:10:13.700 It was restructured to suit dance. 197 00:10:14.560 --> 00:10:21.600 Or she did some wonderful things that was completely, her Ravel Bolero, she did several 198 00:10:21.600 --> 00:10:22.820 things of that. 199 00:10:23.280 --> 00:10:25.840 You don't remember if that was the only thing of yours I was ever in. 200 00:10:25.940 --> 00:10:28.180 You were once doing it on the chair somewhere for one performance. 201 00:10:29.260 --> 00:10:29.760 Oh you were? 202 00:10:29.760 --> 00:10:33.460 The lame, the halt and the blind, and Elisa Stigler brought me in. 203 00:10:33.620 --> 00:10:35.420 I just had to remember this set on chair. 204 00:10:36.020 --> 00:10:42.220 But the version she did with the company called Ruth Pages International Ballet was wonderful. 205 00:10:42.300 --> 00:10:45.980 That's the one that I think they didn't want, they were afraid to use in Boston. 206 00:10:46.120 --> 00:10:47.120 Did you ever see that one? 207 00:10:47.240 --> 00:10:48.460 No I didn't, not that ballerina. 208 00:10:48.460 --> 00:10:49.900 It's a wonderful concept. 209 00:10:50.740 --> 00:10:54.420 It was based in a Spanish brothel I believe. 210 00:10:54.420 --> 00:11:00.320 And you had these high back Spanish chairs and there were ten inmates, you'd call them 211 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:08.460 wearing, they looked nude but it was body tights and stockings in what we used to call 212 00:11:08.460 --> 00:11:12.220 psychedelic colors, bright blue, bright green, bright yellow. 213 00:11:12.780 --> 00:11:15.900 They had a black Spanish shawl, their hair was down. 214 00:11:16.260 --> 00:11:19.420 And I loved it, one little girl, remember Janine Codes, who would have her hair over 215 00:11:19.420 --> 00:11:21.700 one eye and behind one ear, it looked wonderful. 216 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:23.340 And they were knitting. 217 00:11:23.980 --> 00:11:30.400 Their wool was the same color as, and before the curtain opened, what did they hear? 218 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:32.140 It was the clicking of the knitting. 219 00:11:32.140 --> 00:11:37.200 You thought it was castanets, it was ta-da-da-da-da, and it opened up and this was going, that's 220 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:38.040 what you were hearing. 221 00:11:39.380 --> 00:11:43.500 And suddenly the back door, oh the set was, why don't you tell? 222 00:11:43.880 --> 00:11:44.820 Or you like it my way? 223 00:11:45.080 --> 00:11:46.120 Well go ahead, you tell it. 224 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:56.160 And the set was white walls, later they became transparent, and there was just a back door. 225 00:11:56.540 --> 00:11:59.960 Girls were all knitting and sounding like castanets. 226 00:12:00.760 --> 00:12:07.020 And a young buck appears, the Spanish thing tied here, the fedora hat. 227 00:12:07.400 --> 00:12:14.360 And he's reading Pari Mach, and there's a nude picture in the back and he is absorbed 228 00:12:14.360 --> 00:12:15.340 in what he's reading. 229 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:21.800 And the girls see a man, they put down their knitting, and one girl sidles up and he pays 230 00:12:21.800 --> 00:12:22.800 her no mind. 231 00:12:23.080 --> 00:12:27.760 She goes back, and a couple others, they all cry, and the rest are watching. 232 00:12:28.660 --> 00:12:31.640 And then suddenly at the back door appears a woman. 233 00:12:32.180 --> 00:12:38.620 She has on a mask, she has a hat with big feathers, she has a garment that's a big cloak, 234 00:12:38.620 --> 00:12:44.340 she has gloves, takes his eyes off Pari Mach. 235 00:12:44.360 --> 00:12:45.440 This is interesting. 236 00:12:45.740 --> 00:12:48.620 He throws down the paper and they begin to dance. 237 00:12:48.940 --> 00:12:53.560 She takes off her gloves and the same movements as the strip dancers have, throws down. 238 00:12:54.280 --> 00:12:59.020 Well as they're dancing, she divests herself in most of the things. 239 00:12:59.420 --> 00:13:04.100 While the girls on the chairs, now this is much better than, did you see that thing that 240 00:13:04.100 --> 00:13:07.560 ABT did called field chairs and so on, so they climb up the clock? 241 00:13:07.560 --> 00:13:12.620 They dance on the chair, they got up, they got around, you know, different things. 242 00:13:12.980 --> 00:13:15.720 Well, all hot about what they're doing. 243 00:13:16.100 --> 00:13:22.260 And as it gets hotter and hotter, the walls become transparent and these wire, not quite 244 00:13:22.260 --> 00:13:23.980 transparent, opaque. 245 00:13:24.500 --> 00:13:28.760 And you see hands and a nose plastered against the wall. 246 00:13:29.540 --> 00:13:34.840 And as it gets hottest, they leave and they, coming in from the door, there's ten girls, 247 00:13:34.840 --> 00:13:39.900 ten boys come in, partner the girls and there's this part as they're dancing while the middle 248 00:13:39.900 --> 00:13:43.060 one's going on, hotter and hotter and hotter is the music. 249 00:13:43.580 --> 00:13:44.140 Is that right? 250 00:13:44.300 --> 00:13:47.620 Well I think it's marvelous when you tell it, I'm dying to redo that ballet. 251 00:13:48.660 --> 00:13:53.000 I love that ballet and I've forgotten all about it completely. 252 00:13:53.100 --> 00:13:53.700 No, no, you haven't. 253 00:13:53.840 --> 00:13:59.600 You remember some parts of it, but hearing Anne describe it, it's a very specific ballet. 254 00:14:00.200 --> 00:14:00.860 Yes, it's amusing. 255 00:14:00.860 --> 00:14:06.860 And I tell you, that's the way I say a critic should write instead of these anatomical analyses, 256 00:14:07.060 --> 00:14:07.620 which they do. 257 00:14:07.920 --> 00:14:11.960 And then there were some soft knee bends and the next variation had peak cake. 258 00:14:14.520 --> 00:14:15.780 Will you tell about it, Bella? 259 00:14:15.780 --> 00:14:17.860 I'd love to do that ballet again. 260 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:19.680 I really would if I could remember it. 261 00:14:19.680 --> 00:14:21.560 Oh, it's so clever. 262 00:14:22.140 --> 00:14:27.440 And it's funny, it's kids, the pants off of Valero. 263 00:14:27.800 --> 00:14:30.080 Yes, it's humorous. 264 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:35.060 Yeah, it's very humorous and it's very Ruth Page. 265 00:14:35.140 --> 00:14:40.820 I mean in its way, it has the same kind of attitude as Frankie and Johnny, would you say, in terms of attitude? 266 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:45.160 Well no, but the dancing, the center pair were very classical. 267 00:14:45.560 --> 00:14:47.100 Well no, it was almost acrobatic. 268 00:14:47.160 --> 00:14:49.300 Some of the lips that they had were terrific. 269 00:14:49.760 --> 00:14:53.620 Remember Dolores did them with Aura and Tati did it for a while too. 270 00:14:53.920 --> 00:14:56.280 But the thing that the girls did was very good too. 271 00:14:56.660 --> 00:14:59.660 They wore pointe shoes, yeah, as they sat on the chairs. 272 00:14:59.660 --> 00:15:01.660 But then they got up and they... 273 00:15:02.300 --> 00:15:06.300 Oh, well wait, so there would be people who wouldn't remember the choreography? 274 00:15:06.660 --> 00:15:09.420 Oh, the dancers don't remember anything ever. 275 00:15:09.580 --> 00:15:10.120 They don't? 276 00:15:10.300 --> 00:15:11.260 No, I never... 277 00:15:11.260 --> 00:15:13.380 Some do, some have muscular memory. 278 00:15:13.760 --> 00:15:14.500 Not very many. 279 00:15:14.840 --> 00:15:15.600 Dolores doesn't remember anything. 280 00:15:15.620 --> 00:15:17.360 It depends on who remembers. 281 00:15:17.520 --> 00:15:17.960 Larry. 282 00:15:18.740 --> 00:15:19.180 Dolores. 283 00:15:19.920 --> 00:15:20.800 Larry remembers. 284 00:15:20.800 --> 00:15:23.080 But he might not remember the girls' part in it. 285 00:15:23.200 --> 00:15:24.500 He might, you never know. 286 00:15:25.760 --> 00:15:27.840 We may have a film of it, I don't remember the way down. 287 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:32.060 Oh, I never photographed that because it was always in the theatre. 288 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:35.940 Oh, and those were the days when we talked about psychedelic lighting. 289 00:15:36.980 --> 00:15:41.160 The spotlight went around on that white wall in the different colours. 290 00:15:42.680 --> 00:15:42.680 291 00:15:42.820 --> 00:15:45.840 That was a real fun, look what Boston missed. 292 00:15:50.340 --> 00:15:53.400 We were not a good Las Vegas, are we? 293 00:15:55.080 --> 00:15:57.080 That's because you were too much competition. 294 00:15:57.080 --> 00:15:59.660 That's right, in Las Vegas, that's right. 295 00:15:59.720 --> 00:16:00.920 I remember, you're right Ruth. 296 00:16:01.020 --> 00:16:05.420 That's right, they wouldn't let us do it and it was because of the garters here. 297 00:16:05.540 --> 00:16:06.520 They were garters. 298 00:16:06.620 --> 00:16:07.260 That's right. 299 00:16:07.540 --> 00:16:11.440 And they didn't, I don't know, they just thought it was too shocking to do in Las Vegas. 300 00:16:11.780 --> 00:16:14.780 Last place in the world, you figure that you'd never get bad. 301 00:16:14.880 --> 00:16:15.200 Yeah. 302 00:16:16.100 --> 00:16:18.700 Do you think Ruth's ever been afraid to try anything? 303 00:16:19.820 --> 00:16:20.260 Nope. 304 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:29.240 Well, you never, whenever it was doing nudes, you didn't have to, remember they all did nude ballets. 305 00:16:29.520 --> 00:16:33.300 When you did Carmina Barano, just a tattered girl, there were no... 306 00:16:33.300 --> 00:16:34.400 They wouldn't go nude. 307 00:16:34.740 --> 00:16:38.720 I asked them and they wouldn't, the dancers refused to go nude. 308 00:16:39.080 --> 00:16:42.760 So we got some kids from the school and they said they'd do it. 309 00:16:43.340 --> 00:16:47.300 And I paid them very well to do it because I thought I'd better. 310 00:16:47.300 --> 00:16:54.800 And the dancers, the professional dancers said, oh well if we don't you're going to pay us that much, of course we would have done it. 311 00:16:56.620 --> 00:16:57.820 The power of money. 312 00:17:01.300 --> 00:17:07.400 What do you think has been the personal quality in Ruth that accounts for her success? 313 00:17:11.580 --> 00:17:12.540 Poor Anne. 314 00:17:13.220 --> 00:17:13.760 I didn't hear her. 315 00:17:13.760 --> 00:17:16.220 What do you think are the personal qualities in Ruth? 316 00:17:16.320 --> 00:17:17.460 I mean you've known her for a long time. 317 00:17:17.600 --> 00:17:19.480 They have made her the success that she is. 318 00:17:19.480 --> 00:17:21.760 One, she's very adventuresome. 319 00:17:24.040 --> 00:17:26.380 She's very open to everything. 320 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:30.300 She does not hold grudges, which is important. 321 00:17:31.080 --> 00:17:35.800 In the arts you can hold a grudge too, not against a person, but against a certain form. 322 00:17:37.400 --> 00:17:37.940 All these things. 323 00:17:38.140 --> 00:17:42.440 And that she was, didn't wait for things to come to her. 324 00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:43.800 She went out. 325 00:17:44.040 --> 00:17:48.240 Whatever they're doing, if that was the fashion, it's not just because it's the fashion. 326 00:17:49.100 --> 00:17:51.640 I'm here in the avant-garde right with you. 327 00:17:51.660 --> 00:17:52.600 Oh, this is it. 328 00:17:53.280 --> 00:17:55.080 We're of the time. 329 00:17:55.140 --> 00:17:57.060 She was always of the time. 330 00:17:57.980 --> 00:17:58.920 Think I've hit it? 331 00:18:01.960 --> 00:18:03.340 Does that sound like you? 332 00:18:03.760 --> 00:18:04.580 Oh, exactly. 333 00:18:05.140 --> 00:18:06.220 Definitely, yes. 334 00:18:07.420 --> 00:18:08.600 Anne knows me pretty well. 335 00:18:09.440 --> 00:18:10.680 She's the only one who's seen all my magic. 336 00:18:10.680 --> 00:18:16.420 I don't know anybody very well, but those are the things during the years that I've noted in her. 337 00:18:17.540 --> 00:18:19.040 And that I've loved in her. 338 00:18:19.320 --> 00:18:20.660 And there's that personal charm. 339 00:18:20.860 --> 00:18:21.560 She's wonderful. 340 00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:28.380 These lecture demonstrations that were done in schools, which I'm sure she didn't care to do, 341 00:18:28.420 --> 00:18:32.320 but it kept the company together at the end so they got paid for it. 342 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:36.080 I went with once to see how it went. 343 00:18:36.800 --> 00:18:42.080 I went to the Oliver Wendell Home School, an all-black school in the bad area. 344 00:18:42.920 --> 00:18:49.720 And I thought, oh gosh, what's going to happen here as the thundering herd with a big whoop came into the assembly hall? 345 00:18:50.780 --> 00:18:57.060 Then Ruth at that time had, I believe it was a Dior and Yves Saint Laurent thing that looked like a little Lord Fauntleroy velvet suit. 346 00:18:57.920 --> 00:18:59.780 I thought, oh gosh, what are they going to do to her? 347 00:19:00.340 --> 00:19:03.200 The curtain opened and Ruth came out with all her charm. 348 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:06.180 And she thinks these kids are wonderful, and they thought she was wonderful. 349 00:19:06.500 --> 00:19:08.100 They were eating out of her hand. 350 00:19:08.600 --> 00:19:13.460 And do you know, they were to do two of them there, and the company ate lunch in the lunchroom. 351 00:19:13.840 --> 00:19:19.660 When they walked into the lunchroom at this kind of school, they all stood up and applauded. 352 00:19:20.820 --> 00:19:22.080 I'm sure you'll remember. 353 00:19:22.080 --> 00:19:23.300 I like to do those things. 354 00:19:23.800 --> 00:19:27.300 It's very interesting to talk to kids and influence them. 355 00:19:27.300 --> 00:19:30.360 You can influence them at that age, tell them what to think. 356 00:19:30.360 --> 00:19:33.960 I think we've got a lot of people interested in dance who are doing those things. 357 00:19:34.340 --> 00:19:36.440 I would love to do those again sometime.