WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.380 --> 00:00:06.580 I spilled it all. 2 00:00:06.680 --> 00:00:07.520 The ice is no good. 3 00:00:07.720 --> 00:00:07.980 So I need a little more. 4 00:00:08.460 --> 00:00:10.600 Actually, in order for the things to match, no, no. 5 00:00:10.700 --> 00:00:11.500 Let's just leave it there. 6 00:00:11.520 --> 00:00:11.940 Okay, fine. 7 00:00:12.060 --> 00:00:13.520 Something may have a good attitude. 8 00:00:13.700 --> 00:00:14.540 Yes, ma'am. 9 00:00:15.280 --> 00:00:16.360 I mean, he's cut. 10 00:00:16.680 --> 00:00:17.380 I see. 11 00:00:17.920 --> 00:00:19.420 He has to match, yeah. 12 00:00:19.740 --> 00:00:21.720 I mean, we'll take, you know, a couple of... 13 00:00:21.720 --> 00:00:21.860 I got you. 14 00:00:21.960 --> 00:00:22.780 This is good. 15 00:00:23.100 --> 00:00:24.140 He's good to talk to. 16 00:00:24.640 --> 00:00:26.520 Oh, he's a remarkable man. 17 00:00:27.020 --> 00:00:27.400 He thinks so. 18 00:00:27.400 --> 00:00:28.900 Person, person, person. 19 00:00:29.140 --> 00:00:29.980 You know, I speak in terms of the person. 20 00:00:29.980 --> 00:00:29.980 21 00:00:29.980 --> 00:00:29.980 22 00:00:29.980 --> 00:00:29.980 23 00:00:29.980 --> 00:00:29.980 24 00:00:29.980 --> 00:00:29.980 25 00:00:29.980 --> 00:00:29.980 26 00:00:30.680 --> 00:00:32.340 Oh, person. 27 00:00:32.580 --> 00:00:37.120 As a matter of fact, your friend Joan Hall and your friend Joan Hall, she did a job for 28 00:00:37.120 --> 00:00:37.740 a client of mine. 29 00:00:38.160 --> 00:00:44.680 I took this gentleman to lunch yesterday, and he said, I want you to know, your girls 30 00:00:44.680 --> 00:00:45.380 were terrific. 31 00:00:46.060 --> 00:00:46.840 Your girls? 32 00:00:47.080 --> 00:00:47.660 Joan Hall? 33 00:00:47.820 --> 00:00:50.100 Yes, he said, your girls were terrific. 34 00:00:50.560 --> 00:00:51.680 I'm outraged. 35 00:00:51.740 --> 00:00:56.360 So I circulated that to my girls and said, see, when are you guys going to rise up and 36 00:00:56.360 --> 00:00:56.660 revolt? 37 00:00:56.820 --> 00:00:57.500 I just love it. 38 00:00:57.500 --> 00:00:59.920 See, whenever I see a gender-based... 39 00:00:59.920 --> 00:01:01.400 Do you want your little white... 40 00:01:01.400 --> 00:01:02.020 It's all right. 41 00:01:02.180 --> 00:01:02.740 They won't see it. 42 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:03.700 Mostly we see... 43 00:01:03.700 --> 00:01:06.700 The camera is angled at you and Ruth, and we just hardly see me. 44 00:01:06.700 --> 00:01:09.040 Everything in film is faux, Ruth. 45 00:01:09.120 --> 00:01:12.700 It's all, you know, image and trickery. 46 00:01:13.220 --> 00:01:14.040 All tricks. 47 00:01:14.240 --> 00:01:14.640 Right. 48 00:01:14.640 --> 00:01:15.040 It's true. 49 00:01:15.720 --> 00:01:16.180 It's true. 50 00:01:16.260 --> 00:01:16.980 Not like a ballet. 51 00:01:17.600 --> 00:01:20.620 It's all there in front of you, and I mean, it happens right before your very eyes. 52 00:01:20.660 --> 00:01:23.960 We were talking about Ruth, who's the essence of life, not the phony. 53 00:01:24.680 --> 00:01:25.120 Oh. 54 00:01:27.040 --> 00:01:27.480 I'm sorry. 55 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:27.480 56 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:27.480 57 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:27.480 58 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:27.480 59 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:27.480 60 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:27.480 61 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:27.480 62 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:27.480 63 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:27.480 64 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:29.720 I don't think there's anything phony about Ruth. 65 00:01:31.020 --> 00:01:31.660 Is that true, Ruth? 66 00:01:31.680 --> 00:01:32.180 What do you think? 67 00:01:32.720 --> 00:01:34.180 I don't know what phony means. 68 00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:36.480 Phony means pretense. 69 00:01:37.620 --> 00:01:37.620 70 00:01:37.700 --> 00:01:38.800 Everybody has some pretense. 71 00:01:38.800 --> 00:01:38.860 Thank you. 72 00:01:39.020 --> 00:01:39.160 Some. 73 00:01:39.500 --> 00:01:40.320 What about me? 74 00:01:41.020 --> 00:01:42.340 Well, I think everybody. 75 00:01:42.540 --> 00:01:43.740 Even I have some pretense. 76 00:01:43.740 --> 00:01:44.860 What is your pretense? 77 00:01:46.440 --> 00:01:48.060 You don't get to see me. 78 00:01:48.480 --> 00:01:49.440 That's for sure. 79 00:01:49.500 --> 00:01:51.680 This is the only time I've ever had a talk with him. 80 00:01:53.740 --> 00:01:55.040 See, we should bring cameras more often. 81 00:01:55.140 --> 00:01:57.460 Yes, if you bring cameras, I see you'll talk. 82 00:01:57.460 --> 00:01:57.460 83 00:01:57.460 --> 00:01:57.460 84 00:01:57.460 --> 00:01:57.460 85 00:01:57.460 --> 00:01:57.460 86 00:01:57.460 --> 00:01:57.460 87 00:01:57.460 --> 00:02:01.180 There are lots of things I'd like to talk to him about and ask him about. 88 00:02:01.300 --> 00:02:02.900 We all hide something, don't we, Ruth? 89 00:02:03.660 --> 00:02:04.280 Don't you think? 90 00:02:04.480 --> 00:02:05.460 Don't you hide something? 91 00:02:05.700 --> 00:02:06.100 No. 92 00:02:06.380 --> 00:02:08.400 Emotions, feelings, thoughts. 93 00:02:08.920 --> 00:02:10.220 Oh, I suppose so. 94 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:11.220 I don't know. 95 00:02:11.260 --> 00:02:16.680 That's why Ruth likes to write, I think, in many ways, because she writes a lot of thoughts. 96 00:02:16.800 --> 00:02:17.540 Yes, she does. 97 00:02:17.540 --> 00:02:21.500 Very open, I think, in her letters to her mother, her husband. 98 00:02:22.280 --> 00:02:25.800 Her writing is very good, very thoughtful, and philosophical. 99 00:02:25.800 --> 00:02:30.820 Very good letter, she wrote her husband about when she caught him flandering. 100 00:02:31.020 --> 00:02:32.420 Do you remember that letter, Ruth? 101 00:02:32.580 --> 00:02:33.140 To Tom? 102 00:02:33.380 --> 00:02:38.920 Yes, it is this most terrific letter she wrote on the 20th Century Limited going to... 103 00:02:38.920 --> 00:02:40.020 You read that, right? 104 00:02:40.520 --> 00:02:41.300 Talk about it. 105 00:02:41.620 --> 00:02:42.140 What is it? 106 00:02:42.140 --> 00:02:42.620 I don't remember. 107 00:02:42.640 --> 00:02:48.000 Well, you wrote this letter, and you were on the train going to New York City, and the 108 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:53.340 first paragraph was how you missed him and how you wished he was here, and then the second 109 00:02:53.340 --> 00:02:59.280 paragraph said you thought it would be nice if you had paid attention to working and not 110 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:02.500 fornicating with this certain person who you named in the letter. 111 00:03:03.020 --> 00:03:09.040 I thought the transition between this adoring wife and sort of cajoling wife between paragraphs 112 00:03:09.040 --> 00:03:10.200 was quite dramatic. 113 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:13.460 It had a big impact upon me. 114 00:03:13.460 --> 00:03:15.480 I about fell out of my chair as I read this. 115 00:03:16.060 --> 00:03:23.120 You write about her poems, I think, are very deeply emotional, particularly those love poems. 116 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:24.220 The love poems are wonderful. 117 00:03:24.720 --> 00:03:27.200 Oh, those aren't any good. 118 00:03:27.620 --> 00:03:28.720 No, I disagree with you. 119 00:03:28.880 --> 00:03:29.860 I disagree with you, too. 120 00:03:30.020 --> 00:03:31.820 I think they show a great depth of emotion. 121 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:33.720 When was the last time you looked at them? 122 00:03:34.180 --> 00:03:35.080 I don't know. 123 00:03:35.840 --> 00:03:36.240 Here. 124 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:37.840 Jerry's a good one. 125 00:03:38.020 --> 00:03:39.140 Jerry is a good one. 126 00:03:39.440 --> 00:03:40.360 Are they in that book? 127 00:03:40.500 --> 00:03:41.080 You bet they are. 128 00:03:41.340 --> 00:03:43.180 Oh, they're not any good. 129 00:03:44.180 --> 00:03:45.540 Read this one to Ruth. 130 00:03:45.640 --> 00:03:45.940 Which one? 131 00:03:45.940 --> 00:03:46.640 Number four. 132 00:03:47.140 --> 00:03:47.920 Number four. 133 00:03:48.160 --> 00:03:51.560 Come to me as you would come to some cool spring and summer. 134 00:03:51.560 --> 00:03:56.480 Dip your hands into the snowy clusters of my hidden thoughts. 135 00:03:56.520 --> 00:03:57.540 Now, that's pretty good. 136 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:06.300 And take from me the strength to stare at the great stars of night, to tread the bare earth by day in silence and alone. 137 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:09.840 Come to me as you would come to some red fire in winter. 138 00:04:10.900 --> 00:04:12.340 Now, Ruth, this is pretty... 139 00:04:12.340 --> 00:04:13.000 They're very good. 140 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:14.620 I think this is pretty strong stuff. 141 00:04:14.780 --> 00:04:15.460 Yes, it is. 142 00:04:15.580 --> 00:04:15.880 I didn't do it. 143 00:04:15.900 --> 00:04:19.640 Dip your hands into the burning recesses of my throbbing brain. 144 00:04:19.640 --> 00:04:28.860 And take from me the power to face the black abysses of midnight, to stride the bleak skies by noon in sorrow and in death. 145 00:04:28.940 --> 00:04:30.140 So that it's also deep. 146 00:04:31.020 --> 00:04:35.160 Come to me in winter and in springtime in sadness and in joy. 147 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:39.240 And dip your hands into the deep still fountain of my love. 148 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:41.160 Now, Ruth, that's pretty strong medicine. 149 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:42.100 Don't read any more. 150 00:04:42.840 --> 00:04:43.660 Please don't. 151 00:04:43.740 --> 00:04:45.160 But that's pretty strong medicine. 152 00:04:45.180 --> 00:04:46.740 I should say, yes. 153 00:04:46.780 --> 00:04:47.800 I certainly think so. 154 00:04:47.800 --> 00:04:53.680 So I think it's easier in many ways to write down one's emotions and thoughts than it is to say them. 155 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:54.440 Maybe. 156 00:04:55.320 --> 00:04:57.240 And Ruth is a prolific writer. 157 00:04:57.480 --> 00:04:58.000 Oh, I know. 158 00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:02.800 She also has what's lost in the new world. 159 00:05:03.560 --> 00:05:07.240 And that is the grace of the thank you note, which is a thing of the past. 160 00:05:07.340 --> 00:05:11.960 If you send Ruth a present or take her to dinner, you get a very nice thank you note. 161 00:05:11.960 --> 00:05:13.920 Well, you send me such beautiful presents. 162 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:16.240 I've never had such presents as he gives me. 163 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:18.660 Nobody ever sent me presents like you. 164 00:05:18.880 --> 00:05:21.820 But still, that's because I get a thank you note. 165 00:05:21.980 --> 00:05:24.180 I don't get a thank you note from anybody else. 166 00:05:24.800 --> 00:05:26.140 What did she say about thank you notes? 167 00:05:26.240 --> 00:05:29.120 Well, they're very, you know, they're a classic thank you note. 168 00:05:29.160 --> 00:05:32.280 So your present was so beautiful or we enjoyed being with you. 169 00:05:32.320 --> 00:05:37.080 It was a wonderful evening and the play was terrific and your company was really fun. 170 00:05:37.140 --> 00:05:39.080 And we have to get together again sometimes. 171 00:05:39.140 --> 00:05:42.980 The only reason I get to see him at all is because his wife likes my husband. 172 00:05:44.540 --> 00:05:45.660 She adores him. 173 00:05:45.660 --> 00:05:46.140 That's true. 174 00:05:46.400 --> 00:05:49.160 And so I, you know, and his wife is marvelous. 175 00:05:49.440 --> 00:05:54.900 And so I get to see Jerry only because when my husband is here, his wife wants to see my husband. 176 00:05:55.200 --> 00:06:01.180 See, and then they talk to each other and Ruth and I talk because they're not interested in talking to us. 177 00:06:01.360 --> 00:06:03.280 No, they're not a bit interested in us. 178 00:06:03.380 --> 00:06:06.020 And talking intellectually to one another. 179 00:06:06.100 --> 00:06:06.840 Yeah, that's right. 180 00:06:07.320 --> 00:06:12.960 But anyway, we were talking about Ruth's writings and I do think... 181 00:06:12.960 --> 00:06:13.580 To Tom. 182 00:06:14.120 --> 00:06:14.120 183 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:16.240 And I did, I read those. 184 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:19.720 Actually, Ruth wrote three letters from that train to Tom. 185 00:06:20.560 --> 00:06:21.880 Where'd you get all these letters? 186 00:06:21.980 --> 00:06:22.900 They're part of your collection. 187 00:06:23.020 --> 00:06:23.960 They're part of your collection. 188 00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:28.560 They're in, I'm not sure if they're in page by page or John Martin's book. 189 00:06:29.060 --> 00:06:29.540 They are? 190 00:06:29.780 --> 00:06:29.900 I didn't know. 191 00:06:29.960 --> 00:06:30.940 Yes, they're in one or another. 192 00:06:30.940 --> 00:06:31.700 They're in John Martin's book. 193 00:06:31.820 --> 00:06:32.840 They're not in page by page. 194 00:06:32.840 --> 00:06:39.400 Anyway, you wrote them to Tom and I think it seems to me as though you and Tom had a very wise kind of relationship. 195 00:06:39.400 --> 00:06:52.360 You wrote something once that hasn't been published about how you spend one third of your life in bed and it would be very boring to spend it all the time with the same person. 196 00:06:52.940 --> 00:06:53.820 Oh, well. 197 00:06:53.820 --> 00:06:54.440 Is that true, Ruth? 198 00:06:54.900 --> 00:06:56.380 I never thought about that. 199 00:06:56.400 --> 00:06:57.060 Did I say that? 200 00:06:57.100 --> 00:06:58.100 You did indeed. 201 00:06:58.800 --> 00:07:00.760 Well, for heaven's sakes, that's awfully interesting. 202 00:07:02.600 --> 00:07:04.420 Yeah, but what do you think of that philosophy? 203 00:07:05.260 --> 00:07:07.520 That's a very modern philosophy, certainly. 204 00:07:07.820 --> 00:07:08.380 Well... 205 00:07:09.860 --> 00:07:14.480 I think people are too... 206 00:07:14.920 --> 00:07:15.320 Monogamous? 207 00:07:16.300 --> 00:07:17.180 Yeah, don't you? 208 00:07:17.340 --> 00:07:18.120 Sometimes, maybe? 209 00:07:18.320 --> 00:07:19.320 That's a leading question. 210 00:07:19.460 --> 00:07:20.520 I would plead the Fifth Amendment. 211 00:07:21.520 --> 00:07:24.640 I think you couldn't possibly give a winning answer to that. 212 00:07:24.740 --> 00:07:25.960 If I said yes, that'd be boring. 213 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:28.060 If I said no, my wife would sue me for divorce. 214 00:07:29.120 --> 00:07:29.380 Right? 215 00:07:30.140 --> 00:07:31.780 So how could I win on that? 216 00:07:32.380 --> 00:07:33.420 Philosophically, what do you think? 217 00:07:34.020 --> 00:07:40.420 Well, philosophically, I think it's a difficult philosophical issue because moralistically, 218 00:07:41.100 --> 00:07:43.360 one should be faithful, right? 219 00:07:44.840 --> 00:07:46.160 I don't know. 220 00:07:47.200 --> 00:07:48.860 Maybe yes, maybe no. 221 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:51.420 But on a practical level... 222 00:07:52.240 --> 00:07:56.060 Well, people are much more promiscuous now than they used to be, don't you think? 223 00:07:56.180 --> 00:07:58.820 Yes, but do you agree with that? 224 00:07:59.280 --> 00:07:59.960 Is it promiscuous? 225 00:07:59.960 --> 00:08:02.560 That's a pejorative word that has a judgment value. 226 00:08:02.560 --> 00:08:03.760 That means it's wrong. 227 00:08:03.860 --> 00:08:04.680 Do you think it's wrong? 228 00:08:05.660 --> 00:08:09.280 No, not if you want to have somebody else. 229 00:08:09.740 --> 00:08:10.500 I don't think it's wrong. 230 00:08:11.900 --> 00:08:13.580 I think you should do how you feel. 231 00:08:13.820 --> 00:08:16.440 You shouldn't always say, this is wrong and this is right. 232 00:08:16.460 --> 00:08:18.360 You have to do what you feel like doing, don't you think? 233 00:08:18.460 --> 00:08:19.120 That's important. 234 00:08:19.240 --> 00:08:23.840 Did you tell Thea about your romance with Mr. Noguchi and how your mother squelched that? 235 00:08:24.020 --> 00:08:24.340 Yeah. 236 00:08:24.580 --> 00:08:26.040 We did talk about that. 237 00:08:26.220 --> 00:08:27.900 I thought my mother showed great good sense, didn't you? 238 00:08:27.900 --> 00:08:30.820 Yes, I thought that was a very practical solution. 239 00:08:30.820 --> 00:08:35.140 My mother was a very remarkable mother, I think. 240 00:08:36.360 --> 00:08:38.860 Her letters to me and my letters to her are awfully interesting. 241 00:08:39.300 --> 00:08:40.960 I wrote to her every day, you know. 242 00:08:41.180 --> 00:08:42.880 And of course, nobody writes letters anymore. 243 00:08:42.880 --> 00:08:43.280 No, no. 244 00:08:43.280 --> 00:08:44.260 That's the trouble. 245 00:08:44.900 --> 00:08:49.600 But I read my letters to my mother when I was in New York in school. 246 00:08:50.580 --> 00:08:53.020 And I told her everything, absolutely everything. 247 00:08:54.100 --> 00:08:57.300 And so she knew me very well, I guess. 248 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:01.540 Was she a permissive mother, supportive mother? 249 00:09:02.560 --> 00:09:03.620 You're the only daughter, right? 250 00:09:03.760 --> 00:09:04.060 Yeah. 251 00:09:05.260 --> 00:09:05.920 What do you mean? 252 00:09:06.320 --> 00:09:08.680 Well, I mean, did she let you do what you wanted to do? 253 00:09:08.780 --> 00:09:09.640 Yes, exactly. 254 00:09:09.700 --> 00:09:11.900 She never tried to influence me at all. 255 00:09:12.420 --> 00:09:14.240 She was glad that I wanted to be a dancer. 256 00:09:14.280 --> 00:09:16.020 I think my mother would have liked to have been a dancer. 257 00:09:16.120 --> 00:09:18.340 And of course, in those days, she couldn't be. 258 00:09:19.220 --> 00:09:21.980 And so I think she was very glad when I wanted to dance. 259 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:23.960 But she didn't push me to it at all, ever. 260 00:09:24.620 --> 00:09:25.940 That was all came from me. 261 00:09:25.940 --> 00:09:31.260 How did you have the self-confidence to be in that world at such a young age? 262 00:09:31.400 --> 00:09:32.820 I mean, you were traveling around. 263 00:09:32.980 --> 00:09:34.440 You started when you were about 16. 264 00:09:34.920 --> 00:09:37.240 You had to go to Europe, and you had to go to South America. 265 00:09:37.300 --> 00:09:42.200 How did you have the sophistication, the maturity to handle it? 266 00:09:42.200 --> 00:09:43.180 That'd be very difficult. 267 00:09:44.120 --> 00:09:46.480 Well, I just always wanted to dance. 268 00:09:47.000 --> 00:09:50.080 Since I can remember, I always wanted to dance. 269 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:52.300 But you were thrown into this very adult world. 270 00:09:52.340 --> 00:09:54.860 Didn't you feel ill at ease or insecure? 271 00:09:55.420 --> 00:09:57.760 No, I had great confidence in myself. 272 00:09:57.820 --> 00:09:59.000 I thought I was good. 273 00:09:59.300 --> 00:10:00.740 I was probably terrible. 274 00:10:01.460 --> 00:10:04.000 Did your mother give you that self-confidence? 275 00:10:04.120 --> 00:10:05.000 Where did you get that from? 276 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:06.160 No, I don't know. 277 00:10:07.080 --> 00:10:09.280 But I used to like to have an audience, you see. 278 00:10:09.460 --> 00:10:12.200 And so when Mother and Father had interesting people at dinner, 279 00:10:12.300 --> 00:10:14.320 I always said, can I dance for them after dinner? 280 00:10:14.900 --> 00:10:17.360 And Mother would say yes, if you don't dance too long. 281 00:10:17.460 --> 00:10:21.000 And so I always got to dance for all these interesting people, and I loved it. 282 00:10:21.600 --> 00:10:23.160 And I think they gave me confidence. 283 00:10:23.240 --> 00:10:24.060 Maybe I was cute. 284 00:10:24.060 --> 00:10:25.040 I don't know whether I was. 285 00:10:25.040 --> 00:10:26.220 I probably was awful. 286 00:10:27.560 --> 00:10:31.600 I have a little niece now who comes in here and dances for me, and she never stops. 287 00:10:32.260 --> 00:10:34.740 And I said, but that's exactly like I was. 288 00:10:36.380 --> 00:10:39.780 And there are some kids that like to show off, you know, and some that don't. 289 00:10:39.880 --> 00:10:40.780 Some are bashful. 290 00:10:40.860 --> 00:10:41.860 I wasn't a bit. 291 00:10:42.440 --> 00:10:43.380 Now, what about your father? 292 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:48.140 You never told me whether your father liked you to dance or to be a performer. 293 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:49.520 I don't know. 294 00:10:49.640 --> 00:10:51.220 My father liked poetry. 295 00:10:51.220 --> 00:10:53.920 And he liked to read. 296 00:10:53.960 --> 00:10:55.760 He was a very literary person. 297 00:10:55.840 --> 00:10:59.840 He was always writing papers for the Gentleman's Literary Club. 298 00:11:00.020 --> 00:11:02.020 I always remember my mother saying, be quiet. 299 00:11:02.080 --> 00:11:04.760 Your father's writing a paper for the Gentleman's Literary Club. 300 00:11:05.300 --> 00:11:10.100 And so I don't know much about my father really because I wasn't close to him like I was to my mother. 301 00:11:10.840 --> 00:11:12.840 And he had a lot of interesting friends. 302 00:11:12.980 --> 00:11:15.880 I liked his friends, and they always came and visited us. 303 00:11:16.820 --> 00:11:19.600 And so I met a lot of interesting people through my father. 304 00:11:19.600 --> 00:11:21.400 I was in Indianapolis when I was a kid. 305 00:11:22.560 --> 00:11:26.980 But you told me, was it that you always read at dinner? 306 00:11:27.540 --> 00:11:30.500 No, it was at breakfast where he used to recite poems. 307 00:11:30.620 --> 00:11:34.080 Yes, because he didn't like us to come downstairs and talk about nothing. 308 00:11:34.160 --> 00:11:36.260 He said either be quiet or do something. 309 00:11:36.360 --> 00:11:37.700 So we each learned a poem. 310 00:11:37.900 --> 00:11:39.040 My two brothers also. 311 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:41.800 So we had poetry every morning for breakfast. 312 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:44.840 Which is a rather odd idea, don't you think? 313 00:11:44.920 --> 00:11:48.640 No, but I think it's intellectually stimulating and certainly the right environment. 314 00:11:48.640 --> 00:11:52.360 And it's better than having the television going or the radio going. 315 00:11:52.600 --> 00:11:55.960 Well, you see, we didn't have televisions and radios when I was a kid. 316 00:11:56.780 --> 00:11:57.980 That was a plus, don't you think? 317 00:11:58.180 --> 00:12:00.020 Yes, I do. I guess so. 318 00:12:00.160 --> 00:12:02.140 I never turned on the morning to this day. 319 00:12:02.300 --> 00:12:04.180 I read for breakfast. 320 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:09.500 And so I don't turn the television on until night. 321 00:12:10.580 --> 00:12:12.280 Sometimes they have wonderful things. 322 00:12:12.580 --> 00:12:14.160 Anna Karenina, did you see that? 323 00:12:14.180 --> 00:12:15.480 No, I never watched television. 324 00:12:15.480 --> 00:12:16.540 Oh, I loved it. 325 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:17.800 We both watched it. 326 00:12:17.800 --> 00:12:19.120 Oh, I loved Anna Karenina. 327 00:12:19.220 --> 00:12:20.200 Terrific love story. 328 00:12:20.560 --> 00:12:22.320 But see, Ruth still is a big letter writer. 329 00:12:22.420 --> 00:12:24.160 She still writes prolifically. 330 00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:25.520 You write every day, don't you? 331 00:12:25.540 --> 00:12:26.320 Mostly longhand. 332 00:12:26.340 --> 00:12:27.240 She has beautiful handwriting. 333 00:12:27.480 --> 00:12:28.300 Oh, I know her handwriting. 334 00:12:28.740 --> 00:12:30.400 Don't you write every day a good deal? 335 00:12:30.480 --> 00:12:31.000 To who? 336 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:32.240 To whomever you are. 337 00:12:32.240 --> 00:12:34.060 Well, I have a lot of correspondence. 338 00:12:34.320 --> 00:12:37.300 And my secretary, she can't take dictation. 339 00:12:37.400 --> 00:12:39.380 And she can't write a good letter. 340 00:12:39.400 --> 00:12:40.840 And so I have to do it myself. 341 00:12:41.520 --> 00:12:42.600 So you write out longhand. 342 00:12:42.660 --> 00:12:44.440 And that takes a lot of time every day. 343 00:12:44.540 --> 00:12:45.660 Well, I can't type right. 344 00:12:45.800 --> 00:12:46.380 I know. 345 00:12:46.380 --> 00:12:48.100 But that takes a lot. 346 00:12:48.100 --> 00:12:49.520 And Ruth likes to write in pencil, too. 347 00:12:49.620 --> 00:12:51.480 It takes a lot of patience. 348 00:12:52.120 --> 00:12:52.720 I guess so. 349 00:12:52.720 --> 00:12:54.560 And I like to sit down with a pencil in my hand. 350 00:12:54.560 --> 00:12:56.320 Now, how old were you when your father died? 351 00:12:56.620 --> 00:12:57.660 I have no idea. 352 00:12:57.900 --> 00:12:58.860 What about your mother? 353 00:12:59.280 --> 00:13:02.280 You were in your 20s or your 30s. 354 00:13:02.300 --> 00:13:04.140 I know I was quite still growing. 355 00:13:04.480 --> 00:13:07.380 And your mother died when you were in your 40s. 356 00:13:08.600 --> 00:13:09.840 Was Tom close to your mother? 357 00:13:10.120 --> 00:13:11.420 Oh, Tom adored mother. 358 00:13:11.560 --> 00:13:12.580 Absolutely adored her. 359 00:13:12.900 --> 00:13:14.540 And he wanted her to come up. 360 00:13:14.540 --> 00:13:16.940 When my father died, he wanted her to come up in Chicago 361 00:13:16.940 --> 00:13:17.760 and live with us. 362 00:13:18.020 --> 00:13:19.740 But she's had sense enough not to do it. 363 00:13:19.860 --> 00:13:22.520 She said, I'll come up and visit you, but I'm never going to live with you. 364 00:13:22.920 --> 00:13:24.320 So she lived by herself. 365 00:13:25.520 --> 00:13:27.260 And she'd come up and visit us. 366 00:13:27.280 --> 00:13:28.800 He liked her very, very much. 367 00:13:29.420 --> 00:13:31.480 Did Tom know about your affair with Noguchi? 368 00:13:32.020 --> 00:13:32.420 Sure. 369 00:13:32.680 --> 00:13:33.860 What did he say about that? 370 00:13:34.080 --> 00:13:35.180 What did he think about that? 371 00:13:35.420 --> 00:13:36.580 I don't know what he thought about it. 372 00:13:36.580 --> 00:13:37.740 He was very nice about it. 373 00:13:37.860 --> 00:13:38.460 He was? 374 00:13:39.220 --> 00:13:42.400 He didn't yell at you or hit you or threaten to divorce you? 375 00:13:42.400 --> 00:13:43.720 No, no, he understood it. 376 00:13:43.720 --> 00:13:44.920 He understood it perfectly. 377 00:13:47.720 --> 00:13:48.620 So it was all right. 378 00:13:48.700 --> 00:13:50.140 It was no jealousy? 379 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:52.360 You told him it was say too, finished? 380 00:13:52.460 --> 00:13:53.040 That was it? 381 00:13:53.300 --> 00:13:53.700 Yeah. 382 00:13:55.360 --> 00:13:58.620 Now when you see Mr. Noguchi today, do you have any romantic flair? 383 00:13:58.620 --> 00:13:59.440 I never see him. 384 00:13:59.520 --> 00:13:59.980 I don't want to see him. 385 00:14:00.000 --> 00:14:00.960 Yeah, but you saw him. 386 00:14:00.980 --> 00:14:04.280 I saw him not long ago somewhere in Europe. 387 00:14:04.480 --> 00:14:05.340 Now I've forgotten where. 388 00:14:05.340 --> 00:14:07.200 You also saw him in the United States somewhere. 389 00:14:07.460 --> 00:14:08.940 Well, I don't ever see him, really. 390 00:14:08.940 --> 00:14:14.220 Does he have any romantic embers rekindled? 391 00:14:14.400 --> 00:14:17.140 Oh, he's had two Japanese wives since then. 392 00:14:17.280 --> 00:14:17.860 He's had so many. 393 00:14:17.940 --> 00:14:19.240 He had affairs with everybody. 394 00:14:19.760 --> 00:14:20.160 You're joking. 395 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:21.060 How disgusting. 396 00:14:21.300 --> 00:14:22.940 But you're... 397 00:14:23.500 --> 00:14:25.680 No romance is left for Mr. Noguchi. 398 00:14:25.880 --> 00:14:26.360 No. 399 00:14:26.740 --> 00:14:29.820 If he came in today and said, forget Andre, run off with me. 400 00:14:31.560 --> 00:14:33.080 I'd say, I'll stay with Andre. 401 00:14:34.260 --> 00:14:35.120 I certainly would. 402 00:14:35.680 --> 00:14:37.340 Andre is certainly very dependable. 403 00:14:37.340 --> 00:14:40.340 Oh, I'm not so sure about that, but anyway, I like him. 404 00:14:41.100 --> 00:14:42.980 Well, he's dependable in his way. 405 00:14:43.780 --> 00:14:44.080 Maybe. 406 00:14:44.280 --> 00:14:46.700 He's always picking up and going off, Andre, isn't he? 407 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:49.420 I mean, he just goes off and does what he needs to do. 408 00:14:49.580 --> 00:14:50.720 Well, that's our arrangement. 409 00:14:52.260 --> 00:14:53.060 Our arrangement? 410 00:14:53.260 --> 00:14:53.720 Well, yes. 411 00:14:53.920 --> 00:14:56.960 He was the one that insisted on my marrying Andre. 412 00:14:57.360 --> 00:14:59.260 I never would have married Andre if it hadn't been for his... 413 00:14:59.260 --> 00:15:00.840 I negotiated this whole thing. 414 00:15:00.900 --> 00:15:02.780 Yes, I thought this was good for Ruth. 415 00:15:03.540 --> 00:15:04.640 I don't know why. 416 00:15:04.640 --> 00:15:06.940 I think Ruth is a very solidity and permanence in her life, 417 00:15:06.980 --> 00:15:09.160 and somebody with whom she could do things. 418 00:15:09.280 --> 00:15:11.540 Go to New York, because she likes to go to New York. 419 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:13.260 She always wants to go to the theater. 420 00:15:13.340 --> 00:15:14.480 She always wants to go to ballet. 421 00:15:14.600 --> 00:15:18.780 Now, here's a guy who's dumb enough to go to ballet seven days a week, 422 00:15:18.900 --> 00:15:19.900 sometimes twice a day. 423 00:15:19.900 --> 00:15:20.880 He complains about that. 424 00:15:20.880 --> 00:15:21.700 But he'll do it. 425 00:15:22.060 --> 00:15:25.140 He says he doesn't want to see nothing but dancers all the time. 426 00:15:25.140 --> 00:15:26.300 Right, but he'll do it. 427 00:15:26.380 --> 00:15:27.620 He complains about myself. 428 00:15:27.620 --> 00:15:30.600 And he likes to go to the plays, the theater. 429 00:15:30.640 --> 00:15:33.180 He loves movies, and he loves to read. 430 00:15:33.180 --> 00:15:35.700 So now here's Ruth, a highly intellectual person. 431 00:15:36.260 --> 00:15:39.820 She has someone with whom she can now communicate on any subject, 432 00:15:39.880 --> 00:15:42.220 because you asked Andre any subject whatsoever. 433 00:15:42.220 --> 00:15:43.240 He knows a lot. 434 00:15:43.360 --> 00:15:46.180 So I thought this was a good marriage. 435 00:15:46.980 --> 00:15:49.160 Perfect, intellectual... 436 00:15:49.160 --> 00:15:50.260 I think you were right. 437 00:15:50.320 --> 00:15:51.260 I think it was a good idea. 438 00:15:51.440 --> 00:15:53.280 And they're very simpatico. 439 00:15:53.580 --> 00:15:55.460 He's very easy to live with, 440 00:15:55.720 --> 00:15:57.920 except for one little contra-temp we have. 441 00:15:57.980 --> 00:15:59.300 I mean, he's very easygoing. 442 00:16:01.460 --> 00:16:04.040 What did you say, Ruth, when Jerry suggested this to you? 443 00:16:04.060 --> 00:16:05.240 Was it really your idea, Jerry? 444 00:16:05.300 --> 00:16:07.140 Yes, I thought it was a good thing. 445 00:16:08.040 --> 00:16:09.180 Keep her out of mischief. 446 00:16:10.300 --> 00:16:10.700 Impossible. 447 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:13.100 She might run away with some miscreant. 448 00:16:13.660 --> 00:16:14.580 Yes, that's true. 449 00:16:14.780 --> 00:16:17.520 And Andre, you see, is a person who's very reliable, 450 00:16:18.020 --> 00:16:20.140 because although he likes his fur coat, 451 00:16:20.200 --> 00:16:21.360 and he likes to buy some new clothes, 452 00:16:22.380 --> 00:16:24.920 basically material things are a matter of indifference to him. 453 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:26.700 I mean, he likes to look nice. 454 00:16:27.300 --> 00:16:29.340 But that isn't where life is for him. 455 00:16:29.640 --> 00:16:30.580 He likes to paint. 456 00:16:30.780 --> 00:16:31.840 That's what he likes to do. 457 00:16:32.020 --> 00:16:32.920 I'm a good wife for him, 458 00:16:33.040 --> 00:16:34.300 because I give him time to paint 459 00:16:34.300 --> 00:16:35.720 and don't let anybody bother him. 460 00:16:36.340 --> 00:16:38.400 And when he's finished painting, then we do things. 461 00:16:38.900 --> 00:16:42.080 But he really has to paint a picture every day. 462 00:16:42.400 --> 00:16:43.560 And I do get a chuckle out of it, 463 00:16:43.560 --> 00:16:45.040 because Ruth is a very dutiful wife. 464 00:16:45.160 --> 00:16:46.700 I mean, she's very considerate, very obedient. 465 00:16:47.700 --> 00:16:48.320 And she always says, 466 00:16:48.380 --> 00:16:49.640 well, you know, I have to be a good wife, 467 00:16:49.660 --> 00:16:51.380 so if he wants to do this, I have to do that. 468 00:16:52.300 --> 00:16:54.000 Really? He's got me so analyzed. 469 00:16:54.180 --> 00:16:55.120 I didn't know you knew me so well. 470 00:16:55.120 --> 00:16:57.000 Oh, yes, I know Ruth very well. 471 00:16:57.020 --> 00:16:57.720 Yes, you do. 472 00:16:57.980 --> 00:16:59.140 But she's a good wife, 473 00:16:59.140 --> 00:17:01.180 and I thought that was a good... 474 00:17:01.180 --> 00:17:03.400 I think I thought it was a good wife to Tom, too, don't you? 475 00:17:03.400 --> 00:17:03.780 Yes. 476 00:17:04.300 --> 00:17:06.120 But of course, this is a much different relationship. 477 00:17:06.440 --> 00:17:11.320 Tom's was a romance, and this is, I don't know, companionship. 478 00:17:12.600 --> 00:17:15.460 Although she greatly admires Monsieur Delphom, 479 00:17:15.700 --> 00:17:17.440 but he won't speak French to her, 480 00:17:17.460 --> 00:17:18.920 so he's not completely perfect. 481 00:17:19.080 --> 00:17:21.740 Like most husbands, he has deficiencies. 482 00:17:22.080 --> 00:17:23.460 Why would he speak French to you? 483 00:17:23.460 --> 00:17:24.720 He wants to learn English. 484 00:17:25.980 --> 00:17:27.180 He speaks perfect English. 485 00:17:27.780 --> 00:17:29.080 But he won't speak French to us. 486 00:17:30.040 --> 00:17:31.660 Only to Dolores will he speak French. 487 00:17:32.080 --> 00:17:33.200 He speaks French to Dolores. 488 00:17:33.300 --> 00:17:33.740 Right. 489 00:17:33.860 --> 00:17:36.220 Yeah. Oh, he speaks French to me when I'm in France. 490 00:17:36.700 --> 00:17:38.620 When I was in Paris, he talked French all the time. 491 00:17:39.140 --> 00:17:40.960 Oh, I don't care if he talks French to me or not. 492 00:17:40.960 --> 00:17:42.900 I can read French. I like French. 493 00:17:43.320 --> 00:17:45.940 I love the French people, and I love the French language. 494 00:17:47.100 --> 00:17:48.820 And I like everything about France. 495 00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:50.580 Yes, Ruth's very continental, 496 00:17:50.580 --> 00:17:54.600 because she speaks French, reads French, writes French. 497 00:17:55.440 --> 00:17:57.380 I gave a lecture in French the other day. 498 00:17:57.600 --> 00:18:01.240 My slide lecture, I gave it in French before the Aliens françaises. 499 00:18:01.280 --> 00:18:03.220 I was scared to death, but I did it all in French. 500 00:18:03.600 --> 00:18:04.540 That wasn't hard. 501 00:18:05.220 --> 00:18:07.860 See, Ruth likes to depreciate herself 502 00:18:07.860 --> 00:18:10.040 and say that she's a non-intellectual, 503 00:18:10.040 --> 00:18:11.800 but she's a highly intellectual person. 504 00:18:12.400 --> 00:18:12.980 I know that. 505 00:18:13.060 --> 00:18:18.860 And highly efficient about getting done the things that you want to get done. 506 00:18:18.860 --> 00:18:21.960 I mean, the schedule... 507 00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:26.220 I've been reading the schedule that you had during the time when Tom was so sick. 508 00:18:27.200 --> 00:18:31.200 And the schedule that you were keeping, Ruth, was murderous. 509 00:18:31.840 --> 00:18:34.500 You were flying back and forth to New York for rehearsals. 510 00:18:34.760 --> 00:18:35.600 What? A dog? 511 00:18:35.940 --> 00:18:37.740 A new dog we have over there. 512 00:18:39.300 --> 00:18:41.700 It's a very good call. One more betray. 513 00:18:42.060 --> 00:18:42.860 Just a few minutes.