WEBVTT 1 00:00:28.580 --> 00:00:29.980 . 2 00:01:30.360 --> 00:01:31.000 . 3 00:01:34.940 --> 00:01:37.060 First part was the contest. 4 00:01:37.380 --> 00:01:38.020 Contest. 5 00:01:38.360 --> 00:01:43.660 And here were these boys and girls from Yuriyue, from 6 00:01:43.660 --> 00:01:45.240 Shile, from Guatemala. 7 00:01:45.900 --> 00:01:51.480 And the first round of the contest was to dance either 8 00:01:51.480 --> 00:01:54.740 pas de deux or two variations from a list of classical 9 00:01:54.740 --> 00:01:58.700 numbers, like Sleeping Beauty, and Nutcracker, and 10 00:01:58.700 --> 00:02:01.620 and all the rest of those things. 11 00:02:03.180 --> 00:02:09.860 And all these young people whose cheekbones still had remnants of the Incas and the Aztecs 12 00:02:09.860 --> 00:02:12.560 were doing Petipas sleeping beauty. 13 00:02:13.980 --> 00:02:17.720 I wonder what Petipa would have thought of the Incas doing this. 14 00:02:17.720 --> 00:02:22.280 He'd think that 100 years later, almost 100 years later, 15 00:02:22.980 --> 00:02:29.840 the descendants of Spaniards and Incas and Aztecs were going to still be doing the sleeping beauty. 16 00:02:30.480 --> 00:02:32.660 I think he'd have been thrilled. Are you hungry? 17 00:02:33.460 --> 00:02:35.240 I think he'd have been thrilled. Always hungry. 18 00:02:35.280 --> 00:02:38.260 This goes for my dancing days. I can always eat. 19 00:02:40.620 --> 00:02:45.040 In fact, that's what I remember about you. We always are. 20 00:02:45.040 --> 00:02:49.480 My first views of you were on stage. 21 00:02:51.140 --> 00:02:54.200 But after I knew you personally, it was always at a meal. That was great. 22 00:02:57.000 --> 00:02:59.560 We've taken a lot of trips together. They were interesting. 23 00:03:00.600 --> 00:03:02.940 Oh yes, we've had wonderful trips together. Remember? 24 00:03:03.220 --> 00:03:08.180 Hamburg, yeah. We had a marvelous time there. 25 00:03:09.400 --> 00:03:10.340 And San Tropez. 26 00:03:10.340 --> 00:03:11.640 San Tropez? 27 00:03:14.020 --> 00:03:17.700 I don't know how long I've known you since we've ever known you for ages. 28 00:03:18.940 --> 00:03:23.920 Not quite. I've known you longer than you've known me because I saw you. 29 00:03:24.080 --> 00:03:25.860 You didn't see me at the A Street Theater. 30 00:03:26.320 --> 00:03:27.520 Well, I remember. 31 00:03:27.620 --> 00:03:28.780 Here's to more times. 32 00:03:30.540 --> 00:03:31.140 Cheerio. 33 00:03:33.660 --> 00:03:38.100 You taught for a long, long time. Didn't you get your pension? 34 00:03:38.160 --> 00:03:38.780 Oh yes. 35 00:03:38.780 --> 00:03:42.100 That was very smart of you. 36 00:03:42.540 --> 00:03:45.900 Because that had nothing to do with dance. You were just teaching school. 37 00:03:46.060 --> 00:03:46.680 Oh yes. 38 00:03:47.960 --> 00:03:51.780 But all the time I taught dance after school or Sundays or Saturdays. 39 00:03:52.520 --> 00:03:56.580 I already gave a lecture on the history of dancing. 40 00:03:57.220 --> 00:03:58.280 That came much later. 41 00:03:59.700 --> 00:04:03.520 So if you people know anything about the history of dancing, including me, 42 00:04:05.260 --> 00:04:07.880 I like that book you gave me. 43 00:04:08.320 --> 00:04:09.740 Annie Elser, isn't that fun? 44 00:04:09.740 --> 00:04:10.420 It's my own. 45 00:04:10.940 --> 00:04:14.980 Well, you talk about books of dance. You've written books on dance. 46 00:04:15.960 --> 00:04:18.720 Yeah, I've written a few. 47 00:04:19.900 --> 00:04:21.700 I love the one called Class. 48 00:04:22.600 --> 00:04:26.400 Oh, Class is right in here all around the world. 49 00:04:27.980 --> 00:04:29.580 Class has always interested me. 50 00:04:29.580 --> 00:04:30.380 I was a dancer when I was a child. 51 00:04:30.380 --> 00:04:30.380 52 00:04:30.380 --> 00:04:32.940 So from the time I first started traveling, 53 00:04:33.300 --> 00:04:37.720 every time I went to a foreign city or even New York or Chicago, 54 00:04:37.980 --> 00:04:40.460 I always went to see certain dancing classes. 55 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:43.460 I mean, the different teachers, the way they teach. 56 00:04:43.500 --> 00:04:45.420 You remember the way Kreutzberg taught? 57 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:46.520 Yes. 58 00:04:47.360 --> 00:04:48.860 How would you describe that? 59 00:04:49.460 --> 00:04:52.340 I'm trying to describe it in the book, but it's indescribable. 60 00:04:53.820 --> 00:04:55.020 It's like his dancing. 61 00:04:58.600 --> 00:05:00.440 You can tell I don't usually drink wine, right? 62 00:05:04.780 --> 00:05:08.160 Like when you danced with Kreutzberg, it wasn't academic at all. 63 00:05:08.580 --> 00:05:08.820 No. 64 00:05:09.040 --> 00:05:11.080 Things you did were very freeform. 65 00:05:12.440 --> 00:05:15.300 In fact, that's what you've always done, like your flapper in the quarterback. 66 00:05:15.440 --> 00:05:16.720 The first thing I saw you do. 67 00:05:17.780 --> 00:05:20.460 I don't think it had a single academic step in it. 68 00:05:20.460 --> 00:05:20.840 No. 69 00:05:20.840 --> 00:05:24.100 That from the beginning you used to invent. 70 00:05:25.280 --> 00:05:26.240 That's Ruthie, an inventor. 71 00:05:26.720 --> 00:05:27.540 I'm an inventor. 72 00:05:27.800 --> 00:05:33.760 Well, what it takes is choreography is something that nobody can sell you, the material. 73 00:05:34.360 --> 00:05:35.840 You just have to take it out of the air. 74 00:05:35.920 --> 00:05:36.540 That's right. 75 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:44.040 I was just in Norman, Oklahoma, and there are these college dancers. 76 00:05:44.460 --> 00:05:45.800 Everybody's a choreographer. 77 00:05:46.380 --> 00:05:46.380 78 00:05:48.580 --> 00:05:55.860 One thing I told them is that they weren't teaching them enough when they were letting them choreograph so much. 79 00:05:56.080 --> 00:06:06.240 It would be much more to their advantage if they brought in professional choreographers so that they'd see what it was like. 80 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:08.020 This way they corrupt their taste. 81 00:06:08.240 --> 00:06:10.200 They think anything they put together is all right. 82 00:06:10.520 --> 00:06:11.140 That's the dance. 83 00:06:11.460 --> 00:06:15.160 It was a very complicated problem, choreography. 84 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:18.520 It is one of the most difficult creative arts. 85 00:06:19.300 --> 00:06:21.200 You jumped into it very fast. 86 00:06:22.360 --> 00:06:24.200 I always liked to make up dances. 87 00:06:25.280 --> 00:06:30.300 From the time I was a little girl, I remember I was always making up dances. 88 00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:34.680 That's all choreography is, is making up dances. 89 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:35.680 90 00:06:35.960 --> 00:06:36.880 Why, I smile. 91 00:06:37.200 --> 00:06:41.300 I was just reading some old American dance histories. 92 00:06:41.300 --> 00:06:48.120 John Durang, the first American professional dancer, they never said he choreographed dances on the program. 93 00:06:48.420 --> 00:06:49.840 Dance is made up. 94 00:06:50.340 --> 00:06:52.400 There you just use the same phrase. 95 00:06:52.600 --> 00:06:54.480 That part hasn't been used for too long. 96 00:06:54.740 --> 00:07:01.220 I know choreography got to be great when they needed the pretentiousness of three-fourths of a syllable. 97 00:07:01.340 --> 00:07:02.020 That's right. 98 00:07:04.140 --> 00:07:05.620 Have you ever choreographed anything? 99 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:06.560 Oh, sure. 100 00:07:07.320 --> 00:07:08.320 What did you choreograph? 101 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:13.860 When you teach dance, there's a thing called a kitty recital at the end of the season. 102 00:07:14.660 --> 00:07:19.400 And you make up dances for every class. 103 00:07:20.020 --> 00:07:27.080 And I would never put tall girls and short ones together, so I was having to make up more dances than anybody else. 104 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:31.320 Actually, teaching ballet is a choreographic situation. 105 00:07:32.410 --> 00:07:39.990 Because unless you're one of these teachers who has these same exercises every day, you make up new combinations. 106 00:07:40.270 --> 00:07:41.810 It's a choreographic situation. 107 00:07:43.630 --> 00:07:49.550 When you were teaching at the school, I noticed you had a course in choreography last year. 108 00:07:49.890 --> 00:07:50.810 How did that go? 109 00:07:53.170 --> 00:07:56.950 Well, I don't think you can teach it very well. 110 00:07:57.030 --> 00:07:58.410 We didn't have enough talent. 111 00:07:58.410 --> 00:08:00.350 There weren't enough people. 112 00:08:00.350 --> 00:08:06.730 I didn't stay out for very long because there weren't enough people who had the talent to do it. 113 00:08:06.890 --> 00:08:08.790 And it's something you can't teach anyway. 114 00:08:09.670 --> 00:08:13.030 I'll try again sometime and see if I can find some more talented people. 115 00:08:14.430 --> 00:08:20.250 They have to be conscious of the music and of the thematic movement, I presume. 116 00:08:21.690 --> 00:08:31.650 Well, I think the way to teach choreography is to show them good examples first, like Swan Lake's very perfect choreography. 117 00:08:32.170 --> 00:08:33.050 And so is Giselle. 118 00:08:33.710 --> 00:08:36.090 Those classic ballets are marvelous choreography. 119 00:08:37.230 --> 00:08:42.350 We take them for granted now, but Ashley, don't you think they're marvelous choreography? 120 00:08:42.470 --> 00:08:43.050 Oh, yes. 121 00:08:43.430 --> 00:08:48.010 And we used to do a ballet in the Pablo Company called Poupon Faye. 122 00:08:48.690 --> 00:08:49.630 Faye Dahl. 123 00:08:50.150 --> 00:08:52.790 It was a ballet sort of, I think, marvelous for children. 124 00:08:52.910 --> 00:08:54.450 I don't know why somebody doesn't revive it. 125 00:08:54.490 --> 00:08:55.390 Maybe somebody has. 126 00:08:55.770 --> 00:08:56.710 George Ferdak has. 127 00:08:56.710 --> 00:08:57.390 George Ferdak? 128 00:08:57.710 --> 00:08:59.190 He always does this music. 129 00:09:01.810 --> 00:09:04.050 It's lots of little doll dances. 130 00:09:05.230 --> 00:09:05.850 I remember. 131 00:09:07.030 --> 00:09:08.330 Which one did they ask you to do? 132 00:09:08.550 --> 00:09:08.890 What? 133 00:09:09.170 --> 00:09:10.370 Which one did you do with Poupon? 134 00:09:10.370 --> 00:09:16.650 Well, I'll tell you, the one I did when I first went into the company, I had to be the Japanese doll. 135 00:09:16.650 --> 00:09:19.070 And the Japanese doll didn't dance at all. 136 00:09:19.090 --> 00:09:19.930 She just sat. 137 00:09:20.390 --> 00:09:21.990 So I was very disgusted. 138 00:09:22.150 --> 00:09:23.510 I thought I should go up there dancing. 139 00:09:24.050 --> 00:09:26.070 But I got to see all the other dancers dance. 140 00:09:26.090 --> 00:09:28.010 I didn't have to be the Japanese doll too long. 141 00:09:28.070 --> 00:09:32.370 But that's my first experience was when Poupon Faye was there. 142 00:09:33.150 --> 00:09:34.390 You know, that's so interesting. 143 00:09:35.790 --> 00:09:43.810 The first dance lessons I took, I was nine years old and it was in a sort of association house, you know, a community place. 144 00:09:43.810 --> 00:09:47.970 And the first dance we were ever taught was the Japanese dance. 145 00:09:48.150 --> 00:09:48.970 And we'd be the fan. 146 00:09:49.250 --> 00:09:49.770 Oh really? 147 00:09:49.830 --> 00:09:51.490 And these little mincing steps. 148 00:09:52.850 --> 00:09:54.690 What everybody thinks of as Japanese. 149 00:09:55.170 --> 00:09:56.990 I remember that dance clearly. 150 00:09:58.070 --> 00:09:59.710 You know, things you have later are forgotten. 151 00:09:59.730 --> 00:10:00.510 Oh yes, that's true. 152 00:10:00.530 --> 00:10:02.050 The first things you do stick. 153 00:10:02.050 --> 00:10:03.290 Oh yeah, I should say so. 154 00:10:04.710 --> 00:10:07.130 That's, well, like the first things I saw you do. 155 00:10:07.690 --> 00:10:12.870 But one of the first things I saw you do was the here, that made a tremendous impression. 156 00:10:12.870 --> 00:10:14.210 Was hear ye, hear ye. 157 00:10:14.210 --> 00:10:15.290 Oh, do you remember that? 158 00:10:15.350 --> 00:10:16.970 Because I can't remember it very well. 159 00:10:17.090 --> 00:10:23.450 I remember that was the first time anybody had ever asked Aaron Copeland to write music for dance. 160 00:10:23.810 --> 00:10:26.010 I don't remember how I found him or anything. 161 00:10:26.230 --> 00:10:30.590 But I liked his music and my husband helped me with that story. 162 00:10:30.670 --> 00:10:32.250 You know, it was a story in the heart. 163 00:10:32.270 --> 00:10:34.190 That's right, it was a lawyer story. 164 00:10:34.250 --> 00:10:34.930 That's right. 165 00:10:34.930 --> 00:10:42.050 And we had the prosecuting attorney and the defense attorney and all the different. 166 00:10:42.690 --> 00:10:45.050 I remember Mark Turbefield was a prosecuting. 167 00:10:45.050 --> 00:10:45.790 He was, that's right. 168 00:10:46.090 --> 00:10:59.150 I remember you and Bentley were the dancers and you did your same pas de deux several times while it was viewed by the honeymoon couple or the sort of mad man. 169 00:10:59.330 --> 00:11:00.510 It was an interesting idea. 170 00:11:00.730 --> 00:11:01.070 Very good one. 171 00:11:01.070 --> 00:11:04.930 I don't remember it enough to be able to revive it. 172 00:11:05.010 --> 00:11:05.970 I'd like to revive it. 173 00:11:06.070 --> 00:11:07.670 But you've got the story in the music. 174 00:11:07.750 --> 00:11:09.510 You would just have to have different steps up. 175 00:11:10.630 --> 00:11:15.490 I remember the doves, the honeymoon couple who'd seen it. 176 00:11:15.610 --> 00:11:17.750 They thought everything was fluttering with doves. 177 00:11:18.670 --> 00:11:20.770 Well, you have a better memory than I have. 178 00:11:20.890 --> 00:11:21.850 Don't you want some coffee? 179 00:11:22.750 --> 00:11:23.990 Eventually, sure. 180 00:11:24.810 --> 00:11:25.570 Come in. 181 00:11:26.370 --> 00:11:27.290 We got some coffee. 182 00:11:30.190 --> 00:11:30.710 Yes. 183 00:11:30.910 --> 00:11:31.290 We're patting. 184 00:11:35.890 --> 00:11:40.790 Well, anyway. 185 00:11:41.250 --> 00:11:44.630 The other thing I remember about you, I think you had the most perfect. 186 00:11:44.630 --> 00:11:46.790 My dress has been at the cleaners, I see. 187 00:11:48.610 --> 00:11:51.170 Your parties were the best, the most memorable. 188 00:11:51.830 --> 00:11:54.230 Your choreography and your parties are memorable. 189 00:11:55.270 --> 00:11:56.530 You remember you gave a party. 190 00:11:56.530 --> 00:12:06.570 The first party that I ever went to that you gave, you invited all the dancers of the WPA project to a picnic in Hubbard Woods. 191 00:12:06.590 --> 00:12:08.530 Oh, for heaven's sake, you remember that. 192 00:12:08.630 --> 00:12:12.130 And the Graafs were there and Harry Bernstein was there. 193 00:12:12.190 --> 00:12:13.770 The Graafs Big Dane was there. 194 00:12:14.390 --> 00:12:17.050 You had Effie and we had a wonderful time on that beach. 195 00:12:17.110 --> 00:12:17.650 Oh, yes. 196 00:12:18.110 --> 00:12:19.070 Those were nice days. 197 00:12:19.290 --> 00:12:21.730 I remember we had a bus come out there. 198 00:12:22.790 --> 00:12:24.110 Well, you have got a good memory. 199 00:12:24.110 --> 00:12:29.650 And then the party you gave the first year that the Royal Ballet was in town. 200 00:12:30.170 --> 00:12:31.650 And it was at the racket club. 201 00:12:32.310 --> 00:12:37.570 And Margot Fontaine wore a Dior and just skimmed over. 202 00:12:37.570 --> 00:12:39.150 I had a letter from her yesterday. 203 00:12:39.330 --> 00:12:40.810 You know, she lives in Panama now. 204 00:12:42.650 --> 00:12:45.110 And she lives on a farm. 205 00:12:47.850 --> 00:12:52.470 And Nuria sent her a telegram and asked her if she would come to Washington. 206 00:12:52.470 --> 00:12:54.910 And he wanted her to see something. 207 00:12:55.310 --> 00:12:56.410 And she wired back. 208 00:12:56.570 --> 00:12:58.350 She said, I can't possibly come. 209 00:12:58.350 --> 00:13:00.210 My favorite cow is sick. 210 00:13:01.770 --> 00:13:02.970 For Margot. 211 00:13:05.430 --> 00:13:07.630 Well, she always dressed marvelously. 212 00:13:07.630 --> 00:13:09.290 She really cared about dressing. 213 00:13:10.810 --> 00:13:12.570 She had so many beautiful dresses. 214 00:13:12.590 --> 00:13:18.410 It was that period of the racket club that was very, your friends enjoyed it as much as you did. 215 00:13:19.330 --> 00:13:21.970 Well, you know how we happened to live there. 216 00:13:22.690 --> 00:13:26.490 We had a sort of a studio apartment. 217 00:13:26.510 --> 00:13:26.930 Lost. 218 00:13:27.190 --> 00:13:29.170 Lost. It was. That's what it was. 219 00:13:30.610 --> 00:13:33.350 At what used to be called the Dianica, 540 North Michigan. 220 00:13:34.110 --> 00:13:35.370 And the room was really beautiful. 221 00:13:35.450 --> 00:13:37.070 It was just one big room. 222 00:13:37.810 --> 00:13:43.750 And as it was called Diana Court downstairs and everything, we had Remiselle paint Diana's all around there. 223 00:13:44.290 --> 00:13:45.530 And you remember the room? 224 00:13:45.750 --> 00:13:46.250 I still do. 225 00:13:46.250 --> 00:13:48.990 Well, Harry Lewis bought the building. 226 00:13:50.530 --> 00:13:55.990 And he said everybody had to get out and he would get get us apartments or whatever stores that were in there. 227 00:13:55.990 --> 00:13:57.070 He would get the same thing. 228 00:13:57.310 --> 00:13:59.450 Of course, he couldn't find anything like ours. 229 00:13:59.450 --> 00:14:01.050 So we just stayed on and on. 230 00:14:01.150 --> 00:14:03.050 I think we paid $40 a month or something. 231 00:14:03.450 --> 00:14:05.030 Then they raised our rent to $50. 232 00:14:05.230 --> 00:14:06.370 Nobody wanted to live up there. 233 00:14:06.370 --> 00:14:08.270 You had to walk up two flights and everything. 234 00:14:09.170 --> 00:14:10.130 And so we just stayed on. 235 00:14:10.210 --> 00:14:10.930 We went off to Europe. 236 00:14:10.990 --> 00:14:14.050 When we came back, all our clothes were gone. 237 00:14:14.130 --> 00:14:15.110 Everything was gone. 238 00:14:15.110 --> 00:14:17.770 So we went to the Ragged Club to live. 239 00:14:17.930 --> 00:14:21.530 We didn't have any place else to go as Tom played rackets all the time. 240 00:14:21.550 --> 00:14:23.290 My husband played rackets all the time. 241 00:14:23.950 --> 00:14:25.830 And so we lived there for two years. 242 00:14:26.870 --> 00:14:28.450 And Tom sued Harry Lewis. 243 00:14:29.930 --> 00:14:31.850 And he won the case. 244 00:14:32.250 --> 00:14:34.210 So Harry Lewis paid for all those parties. 245 00:14:34.710 --> 00:14:35.670 He had the ragged race. 246 00:14:35.790 --> 00:14:37.830 He paid for all new clothes for me. 247 00:14:38.370 --> 00:14:40.390 And everybody was tickled to death. 248 00:14:41.310 --> 00:14:42.090 That was great. 249 00:14:42.590 --> 00:14:43.470 Want some cream? 250 00:14:43.470 --> 00:14:44.570 You're a croaker. 251 00:14:45.070 --> 00:14:45.470 Mm-hmm. 252 00:14:46.610 --> 00:14:49.170 So I remember a party in the loft. 253 00:14:49.830 --> 00:14:50.730 It was Thanksgiving. 254 00:14:51.330 --> 00:14:55.530 And you had Patricia Bowman as guest artist in the opera ballets. 255 00:14:55.590 --> 00:14:56.390 Oh, yes. 256 00:14:58.150 --> 00:14:59.390 And Thanksgiving cake. 257 00:14:59.590 --> 00:15:00.070 Do you want cream? 258 00:15:00.270 --> 00:15:00.710 Mm-hmm. 259 00:15:00.950 --> 00:15:02.330 Sorry, I should not have taken it. 260 00:15:02.330 --> 00:15:04.370 First, I'm so accustomed to you. 261 00:15:05.610 --> 00:15:06.810 It's going to look terrible. 262 00:15:08.910 --> 00:15:10.810 Thea, don't you want to come and join us for dessert? 263 00:15:10.810 --> 00:15:11.370 Yes, I will. 264 00:15:11.370 --> 00:15:12.910 I'll come back. 265 00:15:13.210 --> 00:15:14.910 All right. 266 00:15:16.590 --> 00:15:18.390 That was the other thing I remember. 267 00:15:18.490 --> 00:15:19.590 Your opera ballets. 268 00:15:20.130 --> 00:15:20.770 Oh, yes. 269 00:15:20.890 --> 00:15:22.510 Those are awfully interesting, I think. 270 00:15:22.870 --> 00:15:23.010 Don't you? 271 00:15:23.650 --> 00:15:25.210 You take this because I don't want it. 272 00:15:27.370 --> 00:15:28.570 You're not going to eat this? 273 00:15:28.650 --> 00:15:29.090 No. 274 00:15:29.750 --> 00:15:30.870 I ate some last night. 275 00:15:31.590 --> 00:15:32.590 It's awfully good. 276 00:15:34.490 --> 00:15:35.050 Thanks, Beth. 277 00:15:35.090 --> 00:15:36.210 That was great. 278 00:15:36.790 --> 00:15:37.390 Am I all right? 279 00:15:37.590 --> 00:15:38.510 I'm going to take a shot of this. 280 00:15:41.450 --> 00:15:43.930 That's Carmen's famous lemon souffle. 281 00:15:44.010 --> 00:15:45.390 She makes it very well. 282 00:15:47.410 --> 00:15:48.290 Am I all right with the shot? 283 00:15:48.890 --> 00:15:49.270 Where am I from? 284 00:15:49.990 --> 00:15:50.470 Lafayette. 285 00:15:50.710 --> 00:15:52.510 You were talking about a party at the loft. 286 00:15:52.910 --> 00:15:53.190 Oh, yes. 287 00:15:53.190 --> 00:15:53.930 That you remember. 288 00:15:55.510 --> 00:15:56.850 The parties in the loft. 289 00:15:57.070 --> 00:16:00.450 That was Patricia Bowman, and her mother was with her at the time. 290 00:16:00.450 --> 00:16:00.990 I remember. 291 00:16:00.990 --> 00:16:02.030 And she was dancing. 292 00:16:03.030 --> 00:16:04.610 You did, wait, which? 293 00:16:04.750 --> 00:16:05.750 Lacmet was the one. 294 00:16:05.750 --> 00:16:06.290 Well, she did. 295 00:16:06.290 --> 00:16:07.410 She danced in Lacmet. 296 00:16:07.870 --> 00:16:10.350 Well, I've done every opera, I think, on earth. 297 00:16:10.450 --> 00:16:11.530 I don't think I've missed any of them. 298 00:16:11.750 --> 00:16:13.390 A few, maybe, but not many. 299 00:16:14.610 --> 00:16:15.990 And I never minded doing them. 300 00:16:15.990 --> 00:16:17.050 I always liked to do them. 301 00:16:18.590 --> 00:16:19.470 You did a lot of them. 302 00:16:19.490 --> 00:16:20.170 A lot of good ones. 303 00:16:20.610 --> 00:16:24.170 I'm curious to hear about your seeing Ruth in the flapper and the quarterback. 304 00:16:24.730 --> 00:16:25.990 What did you think, Ann? 305 00:16:26.070 --> 00:16:27.230 Well, she wore a pair. 306 00:16:27.350 --> 00:16:30.410 We used to call them galoshes in those days. 307 00:16:30.410 --> 00:16:38.270 And they had buckles that sort of clasped around you. 308 00:16:39.050 --> 00:16:46.650 She had rolled stockings and a sweater and a short skirt and a little, it wasn't a beret, 309 00:16:46.830 --> 00:16:47.690 it was a hat. 310 00:16:48.790 --> 00:16:50.910 And Paul Dupont was the quarterback. 311 00:16:51.170 --> 00:16:53.510 And he wore football toms. 312 00:16:54.250 --> 00:16:56.670 And, oh, Ruth, you tell about it. 313 00:16:56.670 --> 00:16:57.730 No, you don't. 314 00:16:57.830 --> 00:16:58.670 And a helmet. 315 00:16:58.670 --> 00:17:01.730 And they were very jazzy. 316 00:17:02.110 --> 00:17:03.890 How did it seem to you, Ann? 317 00:17:03.970 --> 00:17:07.450 I mean, it was a most unusual kind of ballet. 318 00:17:08.150 --> 00:17:11.910 No, well, we were both, I've always been truly a vanguard. 319 00:17:12.210 --> 00:17:15.650 That is, I'm not going to invent the wheel, but go ahead. 320 00:17:16.050 --> 00:17:18.770 I've been dancing an American theme, and that was great. 321 00:17:20.110 --> 00:17:21.790 Was it shocking to the audience at all? 322 00:17:22.630 --> 00:17:23.110 No. 323 00:17:23.270 --> 00:17:27.310 Chicago, we live in a prairie part of the world. 324 00:17:27.310 --> 00:17:28.270 No fences. 325 00:17:29.850 --> 00:17:33.850 And I don't think, Ruth has done many very avant-garde things. 326 00:17:33.970 --> 00:17:39.850 I don't think she ever shocked except Boston when she did Ravel's Bolero. 327 00:17:40.450 --> 00:17:40.910 Oh, yes. 328 00:17:41.630 --> 00:17:42.350 Boston, Boston? 329 00:17:42.650 --> 00:17:43.350 Yes, they had had some. 330 00:17:43.350 --> 00:17:44.970 You really got yourself banned in Boston. 331 00:17:46.230 --> 00:17:48.990 Well, that was, Chicago liked her new things. 332 00:17:49.170 --> 00:17:51.150 In fact, I think that's why you got along here. 333 00:17:52.030 --> 00:17:56.590 Everything was sort of, well, Frankie John was a vanguard. 334 00:17:56.590 --> 00:17:58.410 Oh, yeah, that was done on the WPA. 335 00:18:01.230 --> 00:18:10.210 When you saw Ruth dance, we have almost no films of the style, Ruth's personal style when she danced. 336 00:18:11.390 --> 00:18:12.550 Can you describe it? 337 00:18:13.790 --> 00:18:18.110 Well, the thing one remembers most is she was very, very pretty. 338 00:18:18.590 --> 00:18:19.490 No, I can say beautiful. 339 00:18:19.570 --> 00:18:20.970 She was a very beautiful young girl. 340 00:18:20.970 --> 00:18:28.090 She had wonderful ballet, especially if you're a student and see all the unimportant little things. 341 00:18:28.330 --> 00:18:30.070 She had wonderful arched feet. 342 00:18:30.610 --> 00:18:32.410 She was beautiful on her points. 343 00:18:33.250 --> 00:18:34.330 And that lovely face. 344 00:18:36.070 --> 00:18:40.710 She did do some academic things like love songs, the Schubert thing was academic. 345 00:18:41.290 --> 00:18:47.730 But she always had new ideas like, I have vivid idea, remembrances of American Pattern. 346 00:18:47.730 --> 00:18:56.750 That was about the American woman who was dissatisfied with life in the kitchen and the dining room, etc. 347 00:18:57.430 --> 00:19:04.690 And she has adventures with a radical street corner speaker. 348 00:19:05.190 --> 00:19:09.210 Oh, I remember, it's Beltly standing out and with the poet and so on. 349 00:19:09.310 --> 00:19:12.890 But she finally finishes up right then with the broom. 350 00:19:13.930 --> 00:19:16.190 Yeah, goes back to those days. 351 00:19:16.190 --> 00:19:18.470 It's very sad.