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This is tape number four, hour number four.

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We're covering Andre Delpho's renderings here for the Tulsa Ballet.

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Ballet.

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Tulsa Ballet.

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I'm going to get that word correctly.

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So this is tape number four and this will be for Tough Theater Video for Theathlon Productions

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The only thing we did was tone down some of the candles and add the flames.

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The flames will be a very nice touch.

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I think that would be a very nice touch.

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Me too.

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Me too.

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Me too.

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Me too.

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Me too.

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Me too.

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Me too.

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Me too.

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Me too.

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Me too.

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Me too.

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You'll see more shows.

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You will rather.

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Oh, you're getting him questions.

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I'm not trying to get into the...

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Do you like it?

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Of course, yes.

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Can't wait to see it on stage now.

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Yes.

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When will that be?

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October 5th.

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October 5th.

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Oh, you're going to send all this out to Tulsa?

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Someday before.

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Oh, sure.

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That's our dress rehearsal.

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When was the last time that the show was done?

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25 years ago.

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When?

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About then.

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A little less.

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About two years ago.

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In 1961 or two?

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Yes.

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You probably went to Alaska.

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God knows where.

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It's going to be exciting to send all the stuff together again.

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You toured every place, right?

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Yes.

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It's very strange on an old ballet like that.

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The only thing I remember about Alaska is that you had to pay $5 for a cup of coffee there.

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I wanted to buy something typical of Alaska, so I bought a white fur hat.

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It was so pretty.

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I thought, this will look like Alaska now.

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When I got home, I looked at it and it said, made in Paris.

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Did you get to see the Aurora Borealis?

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No.

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No?

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No.

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It was so cold when you went outside.

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You had to cover your face all over.

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It was terribly cold.

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But I went up all the way up to Juneau, Alaska, on that Inland Passage, the other time that I was there.

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That was awfully interesting.

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It was very beautiful.

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I forget what I was going to Juneau for.

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You probably toured with Flannermouse.

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Probably.

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But it was something, some sort of a tour.

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I don't know.

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I never saw it on stage.

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But the Flannermouse?

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No, never.

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Wow.

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You mean you haven't seen your design on stage?

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No, no.

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In Paris, I give my design to Ruth.

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She has it made here.

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So you've waited 25 years to see your show.

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My day was in Paris.

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Better late than never.

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So, the costume wear I made in Paris.

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We're going to see those.

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We'll see those in Tulsa, yes.

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Who made this down here?

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The scenery down here was originally constructed and built from this very studio.

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Becker Brothers, yes, that's right.

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They made all my stuff.

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I did a touch up on one of your other shows, by the way.

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Nutcracker.

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Oh, Nutcracker.

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We've been doing it 19 years.

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I think they ought to give us a new Nutcracker, don't you?

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I think that'd be wonderful.

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You deserve it.

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I think so, too.

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It's been running since...

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Designed by Andre.

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No, it wasn't done by Andre.

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I like having a new one.

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New designs, Andre.

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I would love to have Andre design the new one.

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Okay, Ruth, tell me where we are here.

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What's the history of this place?

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Are you talking to me?

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Well, history of what place?

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Becker Brothers.

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Becker's?

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I don't know.

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I don't know how I first happened to come here, but they build all my scenery for everything that I've done here.

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I don't know if they did it for Nutcracker, because that's it.

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Yes, they did.

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You did.

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Well, then this is the only place in Chicago, I guess.

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How long has this place been here?

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Since what?

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How long has this place been here?

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That I couldn't tell you.

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No time, I'm sure.

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It's been here all my life.

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They told me I danced 60 years ago in Ravinea.

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I don't know what that means, but anyway, I guess this was here then, too.

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They probably built Frankie and Johnny and God knows what.

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Probably, yes.

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In the 30s.

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What did we do?

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They did a lot of the vaudeville.

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Vaudeville?

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You know, Brian.

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I never did any vaudeville, but.

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Everything else.

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Well, they did vaudeville, they did opera, ballet.

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Anything.

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Most theatrical-oriented things, yeah.

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It was more or less the only place.

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I think it was.

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At that time, yeah.

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Are there other places?

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I don't know.

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And it was still a family concert.

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Well, you built the Nutcracker out here, then.

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Yes.

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Well, the original show, yeah.

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19 years ago?

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Yeah.

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In fact, Brian's grandfather was here at that time and did that.

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And the uncles and Brian's father.

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Oh, it's in their family.

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It's a big family affair.

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Yeah.

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Becker Brothers, yeah, I don't know.

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I just trust them very, trust you with everything.

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So Ruth, where does this go?

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Where does this fit?

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This piece right here.

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Where does it fit in the ballet?

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Where is what?

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Where does this piece fit in the ballet?

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It's a scene in one, where they do it in front of this is a scene in one.

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What is this supposed to be?

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We've never had it before, so I don't know.

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What's it supposed to be, Andre?

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Between the act, between the first.

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When we change scenes back of this.

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They have to do some scenes in one while they change.

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And the second and the third act.

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So they just put this up or do they dance in front of this as well?

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Yes, they dance in front of it.

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There are scenes in one in front of it.

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We did little scenes.

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Yes, because they have to change the scenery, you see.

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Oh, the stuff is going on in the back of this.

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Yes.

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They change the scenery.

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The major sets are being changed while this is down.

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That's right.

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We do it in three acts.

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It's better than to have an intermission, you see.

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Also stuff that's going on on the stage.

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Yes.

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There's act one.

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That's act three.

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And this is, I don't know where act two is.

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Where's act two?

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This is all started.

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What about the boudoir?

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That's act one.

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That makes me so nervous.

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Yes.

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This is act one.

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Two.

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Bedroom.

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Act one is town square.

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The what?

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Town square.

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I don't remember the town square.

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The custom shop.

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Oh, yeah, where he does the little costume that comes out.

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That's Larry's part.

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We haven't got anybody for that part yet.

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There's more than one.

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What is involved, let me get out of my own shadow.

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What would be involved, what is involved in painting something this big?

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How do you begin on something this big?

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Well, it's exactly the same thing except the movement you have to make bigger.

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Exactly the same as painting a very small picture.

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Start over once more.

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Excuse me?

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Start over once more.

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Oh, well, it's exactly the same as painting a small picture except of course you need a bigger brush and the movements are bigger.

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Like where?

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Like where on here?

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Well, you see, if you paint something small, you make small movements.

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And if you paint something big, you have to make bigger movements, that's for sure.

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That's all.

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That's the only difference.

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Yes, the only difference.

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Well, what about, do you have to know what the eye will see 50 feet away?

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Yes.

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How do you adjust for that?

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Well, usually it's a kind of instinct, you see.

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You don't put too much details because they won't be seen from the audience.

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You get bold and simplify.

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Are these of any particular period, the figure up there?

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Well, it's a kind of Rococo, a style of Viennese Rococo.

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This kind of style.

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And what will happen to it after this?

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What has yet to be done on this?

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Is this complete?

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No, nothing.

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Except the doors will be open so the dancers could come.

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Where are the doors?

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Down there somewhere?

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How are they going to get it to Tulsa?

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I don't know.

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I suppose they have a big truck in front.

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Something big.

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Are you looking for the drawing?

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Donna, where's the drawing?

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It's by Bill.

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There's more stuff back there for you to see.

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Thanks, thank you.

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If you want more light, please.

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A photograph of the original.

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The original is in the Lincoln Library for Performing Arts in New York.

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And they sent us some photographs of it.

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And this is a photograph of my sketch, the sketch I made.

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For that, you see.

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So you have the difference between...

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It was a little bigger than that, but anyway, you have the difference between a sketch and the execution, you see.

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This is a shadow like this.

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You see, this is...

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Where?

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This, you see?

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Uh huh.

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This is that part.

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Is it in the Rococo style?

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Yes, it's more English, kind of Adam's style.

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Very ornate and elegant and gold everywhere.

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It has been redecorated.

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I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that play.

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Wonderful.

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It's a nice place, really nice.

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And you're so surprised.

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I wonder who goes to it.

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They appreciate it, what they've got there.

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The history is there for Joliet.

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I know, I know, but now it's kind of falling apart.

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And you have so many houses that are empty and things like that.

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But you discover this fantastic place.

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It's beautiful, isn't it?

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They're all wonderful little jewels like that around.

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Yes, forgotten.

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Yeah.

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Well, they use it, they do a lot of...

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A lot of things go there apparently.

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Because of the theater.

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People came from around.

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He mentioned the Rialto and I have not really been down there to see it.

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I've been through Joliet, but never to stop.

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Yes, but...

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So if January, I hope to come.

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Yes, I hope you do because it's really a lovely place.

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And the ballet is going to be sensational.

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The television, you use it all the time.

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Yeah, we've done a lot of shows.

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Really?

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Well, three or four.

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What was the last extravaganza?

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We did Tiana Warwick there, live.

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Tiana Warwick of Manhattan Transfer.

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We did there.

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Andre, are you ready for this?

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This is going to be a really hard question.

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Okay?

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Okay.

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What is Bladermaus about?

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Oh, it says...

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25 words or less.

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It came from a French vaudeville.

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But the vaudeville was a play.

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And in Vienna, they put music, the music by Strauss, you see.

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And so it became an operetta in Vienna.

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And they changed a little the story from the French play.

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So it began a Viennese play.

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What is the story?

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Oh, that story is very complicated.

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It's a real vaudeville.

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People who are there and who are not supposed to be there.

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This kind of thing.

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Surprises all the time.

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Mischief can sing like that.

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Do I ask you a question?

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No, no. I'm going to ask you a question.

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You ready?

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Yeah.

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And 25 words or less.

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What is Bladermaus about?

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It's a very fully silly ballet.

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It's about flirtations and disguises and husbands not recognizing their wives.

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Suddenly deciding they'd been flirting with their own wife and they didn't know it

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because she was dressed differently or she had a mask on.

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So it's Rosalinda and Adele, the maid, are the two principal ladies.

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And it's not much of a story.

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It doesn't amount to anything.

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It's marvelous music.

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And it's just all about dancing.

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They dance and dance.

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That's it.