WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.880 --> 00:00:06.720 All those Caribbean islands are up. 2 00:00:08.040 --> 00:00:13.360 But, uh, he doesn't like to swim, but he doesn't like to, uh, the sea especially. 3 00:00:14.140 --> 00:00:16.140 I like to walk on the beach so I can swim in the sea. 4 00:00:21.900 --> 00:00:25.180 Well, why don't you try that place and then tell me about it. 5 00:00:25.180 --> 00:00:27.580 Okay. I'll have to find out what it is. 6 00:00:27.700 --> 00:00:32.060 If she hasn't thrown the papers out, I just saw it yesterday. 7 00:00:32.140 --> 00:00:34.780 The Sunday paper? Which one? Tribune? 8 00:00:34.900 --> 00:00:37.620 I saw the Tribune and the Sun Times both so I don't know which I saw. 9 00:00:37.640 --> 00:00:39.240 I've got both of those. I'll look through the travel section. 10 00:00:39.940 --> 00:00:44.620 Have you got them both? Well then look through the travel section and you'll find it. 11 00:00:45.640 --> 00:00:46.400 That's a good idea. 12 00:00:46.400 --> 00:00:54.700 Uh, well let's see. Panama's nice. 13 00:00:56.920 --> 00:00:57.840 Panama? Paris. 14 00:00:59.320 --> 00:01:01.880 Good cheap place? Paris in the springtime? 15 00:01:01.900 --> 00:01:04.520 It's very cheap. It really is. 16 00:01:04.700 --> 00:01:12.480 Really? Yes. The dollar because the dollar, I was there about two weeks ago 17 00:01:12.480 --> 00:01:14.720 and just stayed ten days and it was awfully cheap. 18 00:01:15.660 --> 00:01:16.100 Nice. 19 00:01:17.720 --> 00:01:20.960 What is it about Paris, about France that you like so much? 20 00:01:21.060 --> 00:01:22.420 You've spent so much time there. 21 00:01:22.560 --> 00:01:24.880 Well everybody liked. I've always liked French people. 22 00:01:25.080 --> 00:01:28.500 I don't know why. I suppose because I speak French. I suppose that's the only reason. 23 00:01:29.280 --> 00:01:32.860 That's the one legacy of the finishing school is that you learned how to speak French. 24 00:01:35.160 --> 00:01:40.120 Yes. And well I find Paris interesting. I saw the France. I've lived there so much. 25 00:01:40.120 --> 00:01:47.220 And actually, Andre doesn't like it very much. He says it's still a beautiful city 26 00:01:47.220 --> 00:01:52.380 but he thinks all the action is here. And that's true. There's nothing going on there very much. 27 00:01:52.640 --> 00:01:56.920 You mean in the whole world of dance, art, it just sort of, no it isn't. 28 00:01:56.920 --> 00:02:02.380 There's nothing interesting at the opera and there's nothing especially interesting in dance in Paris now. 29 00:02:03.840 --> 00:02:07.840 And I think there's not very much interesting there. It's such a lovely city. 30 00:02:07.840 --> 00:02:11.840 There's so many wonderful museums and it's nice to walk around Paris. 31 00:02:14.780 --> 00:02:16.300 When did you take your first trip to France? 32 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:25.880 Oh I don't even remember. I had no idea. I think I must have gone. Isn't that funny? I don't remember. 33 00:02:26.020 --> 00:02:29.180 I should know. It will come out as we go through this. 34 00:02:29.860 --> 00:02:35.360 I don't remember. I used to go over to visit my brother in Munich. He was there for a long time. 35 00:02:35.360 --> 00:02:39.440 I remember going over to Munich to visit my brother. 36 00:02:39.720 --> 00:02:40.800 Which brother? Laviette? 37 00:02:40.960 --> 00:02:47.700 No, Urban. He worked there for a long time. 38 00:02:48.700 --> 00:02:49.320 Studying medicine? 39 00:02:50.280 --> 00:02:53.760 I'm trying to think what he was doing. He had a job. Some kind of a job there. 40 00:02:53.840 --> 00:03:01.540 He was the head of some medical thing. I don't know what it was. But he lived there a long time. 41 00:03:02.540 --> 00:03:06.160 It sounds like you've managed to stay fairly close to him. 42 00:03:06.520 --> 00:03:06.860 Yes. 43 00:03:07.360 --> 00:03:12.900 Despite the fact that you left Indianapolis and sort of never returned at the age of 16. 44 00:03:12.940 --> 00:03:16.900 Well, Andre and I went down to see him. We spent the summer before last at Hyannis Port. 45 00:03:18.100 --> 00:03:20.000 And we saw a lot of him then. 46 00:03:21.340 --> 00:03:23.520 And what about your older brother who has... 47 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:24.520 He died very young. 48 00:03:24.680 --> 00:03:25.980 Oh, very young, did he? 49 00:03:27.180 --> 00:03:31.140 He was an alcoholic. He went to Princeton and all they taught him was to have a drink. 50 00:03:31.860 --> 00:03:32.800 Oh, that's sad. 51 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:37.980 And so he died. He didn't have a profession and he just died very young. 52 00:03:38.020 --> 00:03:41.140 I don't think so. Like he did anything but drink. 53 00:03:43.540 --> 00:03:47.940 Did you see much of your mother and your father after you left Indianapolis? 54 00:03:47.940 --> 00:03:52.420 I know you wrote to your mother all the time. Did she come and visit? Did your father come and visit? 55 00:03:52.880 --> 00:03:57.440 Father and he died long ago but mother came up to visit us every summer. 56 00:03:58.120 --> 00:03:59.660 Oh, every summer. 57 00:04:00.300 --> 00:04:03.580 Tom was very, very fond of her. Adored her. 58 00:04:03.940 --> 00:04:05.520 Did he think she was like you? 59 00:04:06.160 --> 00:04:07.700 I don't know if I ever thought. 60 00:04:09.040 --> 00:04:10.560 Do you think you're like her? 61 00:04:11.040 --> 00:04:12.320 I don't think so. 62 00:04:12.680 --> 00:04:12.960 Yeah? 63 00:04:15.060 --> 00:04:19.740 I don't think I'm anything like her. She was much more energetic than I am. 64 00:04:19.940 --> 00:04:21.240 Oh, Ruth, come on. 65 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:28.200 She was. She was always starting things. She was very energetic. 66 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:31.740 Do you think she was sort of dissatisfied in Indianapolis with you? 67 00:04:31.740 --> 00:04:38.480 Yeah, she didn't want to go live there at all. She hated it. She got used to it, I suppose. 68 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:43.640 Well, once she'd created the symphony and all the music, there was more for her to do. 69 00:04:43.640 --> 00:04:45.720 Mm-hmm. 70 00:04:46.640 --> 00:04:50.260 But father seemed to like it there, so she had to stay. 71 00:04:52.520 --> 00:04:53.280 Unlike your marriage. 72 00:04:53.860 --> 00:04:54.140 What? 73 00:04:54.340 --> 00:04:55.300 Unlike your marriage. 74 00:04:55.500 --> 00:04:55.780 Yeah. 75 00:04:55.900 --> 00:04:59.380 Glad you didn't get tied down to particular places. 76 00:05:00.660 --> 00:05:04.140 So anyway, where were we? We were in Japan. Your first trip to Japan. 77 00:05:04.220 --> 00:05:06.460 How long were you there? Do you remember? Is it a short? 78 00:05:10.520 --> 00:05:13.240 About three weeks, I think. I don't know. 79 00:05:13.760 --> 00:05:15.020 And did you organize? Oh. 80 00:05:15.540 --> 00:05:17.200 About a month. I think we were there about a month. 81 00:05:17.480 --> 00:05:24.380 And did you organize the whole tour yourself? I know you planned what the programs would be, but you did all the organizing. Pick the other dancers. 82 00:05:24.780 --> 00:05:31.860 Well, I picked the dancers. I didn't buy the tickets for the trip. I don't know who did that. Maybe my husband. I don't know. 83 00:05:32.800 --> 00:05:34.520 Were you married at that point? 84 00:05:36.060 --> 00:05:40.060 Maybe I wasn't. Mother and father went with me. 85 00:05:40.280 --> 00:05:41.020 Oh, they did? 86 00:05:41.140 --> 00:05:52.080 Yeah. And I thought Tom was there, too. I know that mother and father and I came home what they called via ports, and Tom came home across Siberia. 87 00:05:53.580 --> 00:05:54.180 Oh, my. 88 00:05:55.120 --> 00:06:04.040 And I don't know whether that was the first time. The second time I went over to Harroksburg, and I think we came home together just ordinarily. 89 00:06:05.260 --> 00:06:07.400 Wait a minute. This is good. Is that correct? 90 00:06:07.740 --> 00:06:15.940 1925. The Japanese trip isn't in here, but 1925 is when you met and married Tom. 91 00:06:16.740 --> 00:06:18.880 1925? That's what it says here. Is that right? 92 00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:20.900 I guess so. It must be. 93 00:06:21.060 --> 00:06:22.680 If it says 1925, it must be right. 94 00:06:22.680 --> 00:06:27.900 Oh, good. All right. We can talk about Tom. We're up to Tom. Okay, so how did you meet Tom? 95 00:06:29.220 --> 00:06:42.180 Well, I had a letter to him from John Crane, who was a beau of mine, and I was in the Music Box Revue, and the Music Box Revue came to Chicago, and we danced at the Blackstone Theater. 96 00:06:43.300 --> 00:06:53.360 And John sent Tom a letter to me, and he didn't present it until the last day we were leaving because he didn't want to know if the dancer or you thought the... 97 00:06:53.360 --> 00:06:58.140 So we had lunch together before the last matinee that we had, and I left the next day. 98 00:06:58.520 --> 00:07:06.400 And I remember thinking after that lunch, I remember saying to the kids at the theater, I said, that's the most interesting man I ever met in my whole life. 99 00:07:07.140 --> 00:07:07.580 Why? 100 00:07:08.280 --> 00:07:10.220 I don't know. I just thought he was. 101 00:07:10.220 --> 00:07:14.400 And soon after that, we were married. 102 00:07:14.980 --> 00:07:19.260 Now, wait a minute. So you left, you were on tour with the Music Box Revue. 103 00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:19.960 Right. 104 00:07:20.320 --> 00:07:26.000 Okay. Which was really a more theatrical kind of... it was sort of like a Broadway. 105 00:07:26.360 --> 00:07:27.540 It was a Broadway show. 106 00:07:27.540 --> 00:07:28.720 It was a Broadway show. 107 00:07:29.160 --> 00:07:29.300 Definitely. 108 00:07:29.480 --> 00:07:31.160 Was it... who was it? Ziegfeld? 109 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:33.460 No, it was Hazard Short. 110 00:07:33.820 --> 00:07:36.420 Yeah. Who did... okay. 111 00:07:36.420 --> 00:07:41.920 And it was Irving Berlin's, that's what it was. Irving Berlin wrote the music, and it was Irving Berlin's second Music Box Revue. 112 00:07:42.040 --> 00:07:42.740 That's right. 113 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:43.940 And you were the star. 114 00:07:44.380 --> 00:07:44.640 Yep. 115 00:07:45.780 --> 00:07:48.240 Okay. So you were... how did it happen? 116 00:07:49.340 --> 00:07:51.420 I went and tried out for them. 117 00:07:52.780 --> 00:07:53.700 You just... 118 00:07:53.700 --> 00:07:57.860 I did try it out, and they said they would take me right away. 119 00:07:58.520 --> 00:08:02.360 And I went off to Europe and stayed all summer, and I said, well, I'll decide when I get back. 120 00:08:02.360 --> 00:08:06.740 Imagine this was the best show in New York, because the first one had been a great success. 121 00:08:07.440 --> 00:08:12.180 And to get into the second one, everybody was trying it. I thought it was so easy to get into. 122 00:08:12.280 --> 00:08:14.860 Well, it was for me, because they offered me the job right away. 123 00:08:15.680 --> 00:08:18.760 And when I came back, I said, well, I'd be in it. So that was it. 124 00:08:19.640 --> 00:08:22.960 Did you have hesitations about it? Were you unsure? Because after all, it was... 125 00:08:22.960 --> 00:08:27.500 Well, I wasn't interested in Broadway at all. Not at all. 126 00:08:27.500 --> 00:08:30.920 But this was a good job, and I needed some money. 127 00:08:30.980 --> 00:08:34.460 And it was a job that would keep me busy for a year or more. 128 00:08:34.800 --> 00:08:37.020 I was in it a year and a half, I think. 129 00:08:38.740 --> 00:08:46.480 And I got what I wanted. I got a... I did a sort of a Chinese dance, you know, fantasy thing to Irving Berlin's music. 130 00:08:46.780 --> 00:08:51.060 And then they gave me, in the second act, a toe solo. 131 00:08:52.020 --> 00:08:55.600 A great big entourage. And I came out and did a big solo. 132 00:08:55.600 --> 00:09:00.740 And so that was fine. So I was in it for a long time. 133 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:03.860 You didn't get bored by it. It's different from doing ballet. 134 00:09:04.540 --> 00:09:06.100 Well, I was doing straight ballet. 135 00:09:06.440 --> 00:09:10.440 In it, I know. But I mean, it's different from doing a ballet program. 136 00:09:10.460 --> 00:09:13.040 No, I enjoyed it. People spoke to me that would never speak to me before. 137 00:09:15.360 --> 00:09:16.180 I loved it. 138 00:09:16.400 --> 00:09:18.920 You mean theater people. You got involved with them and you liked them. 139 00:09:19.800 --> 00:09:19.800 140 00:09:20.820 --> 00:09:24.900 So you just decided you were going to just try out for it because it would be something else 141 00:09:24.900 --> 00:09:26.940 and because it would be a good, steady job. 142 00:09:27.560 --> 00:09:29.320 Yes. I needed the money. 143 00:09:30.420 --> 00:09:34.820 Well, speaking of money, Ruth, it sounds as though you just sort of pursued whatever you wanted to do. 144 00:09:34.880 --> 00:09:36.480 And there was always money available. 145 00:09:36.640 --> 00:09:39.340 Well, I never got a cent from my family. 146 00:09:39.900 --> 00:09:43.700 I tell you, when we went... I went with Ruth Tarkington's niece. 147 00:09:43.880 --> 00:09:48.620 She and I went to New York together. And they gave... our families gave us each $100. 148 00:09:48.800 --> 00:09:54.440 And they said if we didn't have a job by the time we got through that $100, 149 00:09:54.440 --> 00:09:55.660 we had to come home. 150 00:09:56.440 --> 00:10:02.280 So we went to New York and believe you, me, we accepted every dinner invitation, every lunch. 151 00:10:02.500 --> 00:10:04.320 We never paid for a single meal. 152 00:10:05.040 --> 00:10:11.440 And by the time we had finished the $100, we both had jobs. 153 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:13.060 Okay. And what was your job? 154 00:10:13.240 --> 00:10:14.220 I can't remember. 155 00:10:15.780 --> 00:10:18.520 She married Bob Sherwood. That was her job. 156 00:10:18.620 --> 00:10:19.980 That was good, the playwright. 157 00:10:20.640 --> 00:10:21.640 That wasn't bad. 158 00:10:21.640 --> 00:10:22.040 No. 159 00:10:22.040 --> 00:10:26.440 And I can't remember what job I got, but I got a job, all right. 160 00:10:26.440 --> 00:10:27.480 A dancing job? 161 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:29.140 Mm-hmm. 162 00:10:29.600 --> 00:10:32.000 Okay. Go ahead. Just change it while we keep rolling. 163 00:10:32.960 --> 00:10:32.960 164 00:10:33.400 --> 00:10:38.680 And then you... Okay, and then it was right after that that you decided you'd better get into the Music Box Review. 165 00:10:38.760 --> 00:10:40.380 Is that what prompted you to try out for that? 166 00:10:40.500 --> 00:10:42.780 Probably. Probably. 167 00:10:43.280 --> 00:10:46.920 I was in the Music Box Review, I think it was 1923 and 1924. 168 00:10:49.420 --> 00:10:51.320 Right. That would have been right before... 169 00:10:51.320 --> 00:10:57.620 Yeah, because then when I came to Chicago in 19... That's when I met Tom and we were married in 1925. 170 00:10:57.900 --> 00:10:58.120 Mm-hmm. 171 00:10:58.120 --> 00:11:01.680 Maybe it wasn't right away after we met, but it was pretty soon. 172 00:11:03.820 --> 00:11:10.040 Well, let's see. In... Actually, the Music Box Review, here, we have it right, was 1921. 173 00:11:10.480 --> 00:11:14.180 21, was it? That surprises me. I thought it was 23 and 4. 174 00:11:14.740 --> 00:11:18.740 Well, assuming this is correct, it says it's 21. We will recheck these things. 175 00:11:18.740 --> 00:11:26.040 And it really happened shortly after you came back. It must have happened shortly after you came back from Japan. 176 00:11:27.400 --> 00:11:30.580 After it's... According to this, it's after you left Otto Böhm. 177 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:32.040 Adolf Böhm. 178 00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:34.080 Adolf Böhm. Why do I keep on saying his name? 179 00:11:34.120 --> 00:11:34.580 I don't know. 180 00:11:34.580 --> 00:11:40.640 I don't know either. Okay. So in 21, so you were here in maybe 22, and then you met Tom. 181 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:43.960 And then it says here that you came back to Chicago. 182 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:50.420 In 1924, you came back to Chicago to become the prima ballerina of Chicago Allied Arts. 183 00:11:52.920 --> 00:11:54.300 That sounds so... 184 00:11:54.300 --> 00:11:57.300 Well, what was that? What was Chicago Allied Arts doing? 185 00:11:57.300 --> 00:12:00.180 Well, that was something that Böhm started here. 186 00:12:01.880 --> 00:12:03.480 Oh! Oh! So you were... 187 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:06.000 So I don't think I went to Japan until after. 188 00:12:06.160 --> 00:12:06.940 It must have been later. 189 00:12:07.760 --> 00:12:11.580 I don't remember when I went to Japan, but I left Böhm to go to... 190 00:12:11.580 --> 00:12:14.980 You went to Japan in 28, and you were married to Tom. 191 00:12:14.980 --> 00:12:15.120 Yeah. 192 00:12:15.260 --> 00:12:16.080 I'm sorry. 193 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:19.180 And I went with Kreuzberg in 34 to Japan. 194 00:12:20.380 --> 00:12:21.660 I think that's right. 195 00:12:21.860 --> 00:12:24.560 That is right. It's absolutely right. It was Kreuzberg in 34. 196 00:12:26.020 --> 00:12:33.560 Okay. So you were here dancing as the prima ballerina of Chicago Allied Arts. 197 00:12:34.420 --> 00:12:36.200 Which was what, Ruth, at that point? 198 00:12:36.980 --> 00:12:37.580 Ballet company. 199 00:12:37.580 --> 00:12:41.980 Oh, it was a ballet company. I keep on thinking of Allied Arts as Harry Zeltzer in that whole... 200 00:12:41.980 --> 00:12:44.440 No. It was a ballet company. 201 00:12:44.720 --> 00:12:49.280 And what kind of ballet did it do? 202 00:12:51.440 --> 00:12:52.560 Classical or... 203 00:12:52.560 --> 00:12:52.900 Laurie White. 204 00:12:53.500 --> 00:12:55.220 What kind of ballets did we do? 205 00:12:55.860 --> 00:12:58.720 Oh, all of Böhm's ballets. I don't remember what they were. 206 00:12:59.240 --> 00:12:59.700 Hello? 207 00:13:01.220 --> 00:13:01.780 Yes! 208 00:13:02.980 --> 00:13:04.780 We're right in the middle of it. 209 00:13:05.620 --> 00:13:06.180 Yes. 210 00:13:07.620 --> 00:13:10.920 How are you? I have something to ask you. Now, what was it? 211 00:13:11.780 --> 00:13:13.040 Well, I don't know what it was. 212 00:13:15.780 --> 00:13:16.620 A present? 213 00:13:18.340 --> 00:13:22.920 Oh, you always give such swank presents. I can't wait to see it. 214 00:13:24.740 --> 00:13:27.340 All right. Bye. You sent me a birthday present. 215 00:13:27.660 --> 00:13:30.280 I hope people won't give me birthday presents. I don't want them. 216 00:13:30.280 --> 00:13:31.860 Of course people are going to give you birthday presents. 217 00:13:31.860 --> 00:13:32.220 What? 218 00:13:32.220 --> 00:13:34.120 Of course people are going to give you birthday presents. 219 00:13:34.140 --> 00:13:35.920 Well, I hope they don't. 220 00:13:36.460 --> 00:13:36.860 Why? 221 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:38.840 Because they don't have to write and thank them. 222 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:43.900 Well, if the presents are good enough, they're making work. 223 00:13:43.920 --> 00:13:46.440 If it's a good present, yes. If it's a good present. 224 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:50.780 I don't know. Everybody gives so many presents these days. 225 00:13:50.900 --> 00:13:53.300 Haven't you noticed you go to a party and they give you presents? 226 00:13:54.760 --> 00:13:55.700 I like it. 227 00:13:55.820 --> 00:13:56.360 Do you? 228 00:13:56.460 --> 00:13:59.740 Yeah. I always like to get presents, don't you? 229 00:14:00.320 --> 00:14:02.760 I suppose so. I don't know. 230 00:14:02.940 --> 00:14:03.580 If they're good. 231 00:14:04.780 --> 00:14:06.200 Oh, you asked me about money. 232 00:14:06.620 --> 00:14:09.840 After that hundred dollars that my family gave me to go to New York, 233 00:14:09.880 --> 00:14:15.060 I never took one penny from my family after that. I made all my own money. 234 00:14:16.280 --> 00:14:17.360 That's marvelous, Ruth. 235 00:14:17.360 --> 00:14:17.680 It is. 236 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:21.140 It must have been very difficult because in those days, 237 00:14:21.160 --> 00:14:23.140 how much could you get paid for dancing? 238 00:14:23.960 --> 00:14:26.460 Well, I got enough to live on. 239 00:14:27.160 --> 00:14:31.720 There were two theaters there, the Rivoli and the Rialto, 240 00:14:32.120 --> 00:14:38.040 which were moving picture houses, and they gave prologues before the movie. 241 00:14:39.740 --> 00:14:42.040 I could always get a job. Whenever I got hired up, 242 00:14:42.120 --> 00:14:48.500 I went and did a week and you had to dance four times a day on weekdays 243 00:14:48.500 --> 00:14:50.200 and five times on Saturdays and Sundays. 244 00:14:50.660 --> 00:14:53.760 I'd take a week's job and then I'd go off and spend that money. 245 00:14:53.760 --> 00:14:57.520 Then whenever I needed any again, I'd go back or make it some other way. 246 00:14:57.820 --> 00:15:00.020 I'd dance at parties. I danced all kinds of places. 247 00:15:02.420 --> 00:15:04.860 How did you develop the places to go? 248 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:08.040 From talking to other dancers or did you just kind of figure out for yourself 249 00:15:08.040 --> 00:15:08.820 that that was what you were doing? 250 00:15:08.820 --> 00:15:12.940 I didn't just get offers. I danced at the Rainbow Room for quite a long while. 251 00:15:12.940 --> 00:15:15.920 That was a very good job. That was lots of fun, too. 252 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:20.520 I can't remember the year I was there. I danced six weeks at the Rainbow Room. 253 00:15:20.880 --> 00:15:22.820 In a review, in a nightclub review? 254 00:15:22.820 --> 00:15:25.820 No, we were the only artists there. 255 00:15:26.660 --> 00:15:26.660 256 00:15:27.220 --> 00:15:29.560 Bentley Stone and I did it. 257 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:33.900 There was just a place that people went to dance. 258 00:15:34.400 --> 00:15:38.080 Then they would stop and we would do our little program. 259 00:15:39.460 --> 00:15:42.240 Which was just a sort of a dance? 260 00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:45.900 Yes, I did a thing called the Park Avenue Autolisk. I remember that. 261 00:15:45.940 --> 00:15:46.540 Oh, my. 262 00:15:48.160 --> 00:15:51.420 We did Zefron Floral, which was a very, very funny dance. 263 00:15:51.420 --> 00:15:53.180 He was marvelous in it. 264 00:15:53.420 --> 00:15:57.400 Zefron Floral, where he was, I can't describe it. 265 00:15:57.400 --> 00:16:04.140 He was so good in it. He was very prissy, doing little tiny steps, but sarcastically. 266 00:16:04.380 --> 00:16:09.420 He was brilliant in that dance. I was sort of a little thing just chipping around after him. 267 00:16:10.340 --> 00:16:12.380 We did Tristan and Isolde there. 268 00:16:12.900 --> 00:16:16.540 My goodness, at the Rainbow Room. Serious stuff. 269 00:16:16.760 --> 00:16:17.380 It was. 270 00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:18.140 For the Rainbow Room. 271 00:16:18.140 --> 00:16:20.440 They loved it. We always did it there. 272 00:16:21.760 --> 00:16:24.540 We did four dances. I can't remember what the fourth one was. 273 00:16:26.940 --> 00:16:31.100 He did a dance called Punch Drunk. Maybe that was the fourth one. I don't know. 274 00:16:31.420 --> 00:16:34.440 That's sort of a satire on being drunk. 275 00:16:37.300 --> 00:16:41.200 So money was never really a problem? You always just sort of... 276 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:44.060 Well, when I needed it, I went and got a job. 277 00:16:44.060 --> 00:16:49.380 And then I'd spend it, and when I got rid of that, I needed some more money, I'd go get another job. 278 00:16:49.560 --> 00:16:51.780 But I never asked my family for another cent. 279 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:55.760 I think that's quite good, don't you? 280 00:16:56.080 --> 00:16:57.800 Absolutely. Absolutely. 281 00:16:59.040 --> 00:17:00.340 I think you ought to be very proud of yourself. 282 00:17:00.340 --> 00:17:02.760 When I married Tom, I made more money than he did. 283 00:17:03.380 --> 00:17:08.700 Is that right? Now, I always thought that Tom was a rich lawyer when you married him. 284 00:17:08.700 --> 00:17:12.520 He wasn't rich at all. He didn't make nearly as much money as I did. 285 00:17:13.860 --> 00:17:18.600 And he only made money much, much, much later. 286 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:22.260 He made a lot of money out of a case that nobody else would take. 287 00:17:22.740 --> 00:17:25.360 A case about Texas, something in Texas. 288 00:17:25.940 --> 00:17:26.540 The King Ranch. 289 00:17:26.720 --> 00:17:28.840 The King Ranch. He was always working on that case, and everybody said, 290 00:17:28.840 --> 00:17:30.340 Oh, you'll never make a cent out of that. 291 00:17:30.700 --> 00:17:35.660 Finally, he did. But it took a long, long, long, long time. 292 00:17:35.720 --> 00:17:36.760 Ten years, you say? 293 00:17:36.840 --> 00:17:37.460 At least. 294 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:43.180 So you met Tom when you were dancing in the Music Box Review. 295 00:17:43.400 --> 00:17:48.880 Then later you came back to Chicago, and that must have been when you got to know him. 296 00:17:50.580 --> 00:17:52.420 When you were here for the Allied Arts thing. 297 00:17:52.940 --> 00:17:54.200 Maybe, I don't know. 298 00:17:56.060 --> 00:17:57.700 I have all his letters. 299 00:17:58.560 --> 00:18:00.540 I can give you the exact dates, but I haven't got them here. 300 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:02.880 They're coming up here on the... 301 00:18:02.880 --> 00:18:05.840 Andy's coming up on my birthday. 302 00:18:05.840 --> 00:18:07.860 He'll bring the letters with him. 303 00:18:09.160 --> 00:18:10.940 So you got married. Tell me about the wedding. 304 00:18:11.140 --> 00:18:14.360 We were married in Indianapolis by Bishop Francis. 305 00:18:16.800 --> 00:18:18.880 We were married in my home. 306 00:18:20.040 --> 00:18:21.700 That's all I remember about it. 307 00:18:21.980 --> 00:18:23.520 Did your mother and father like him? 308 00:18:23.980 --> 00:18:26.120 Oh, yes. They were crazy about him. 309 00:18:28.040 --> 00:18:29.900 They didn't worry that... 310 00:18:29.900 --> 00:18:31.240 Mm-mm. They adored him. 311 00:18:32.200 --> 00:18:33.080 And he liked them? 312 00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:33.640 Yeah. 313 00:18:34.200 --> 00:18:35.260 How about your brothers? 314 00:18:36.840 --> 00:18:39.100 I don't think they were there. I don't remember my brothers. 315 00:18:40.120 --> 00:18:41.700 I don't remember at all. 316 00:18:42.640 --> 00:18:45.760 I guess they weren't there. It wasn't a very small one. It was just a family. 317 00:18:46.220 --> 00:18:47.440 Did you wear a white dress? 318 00:18:48.080 --> 00:18:48.480 Yes. 319 00:18:49.380 --> 00:18:50.780 And what kind of dancing was there? 320 00:18:50.900 --> 00:18:52.140 Was there just regular dancing? 321 00:18:52.840 --> 00:18:54.260 Even your wedding was a performance? 322 00:18:54.440 --> 00:18:55.880 No, it was a regular wedding. 323 00:18:55.880 --> 00:18:57.300 No, no dancing at all. 324 00:18:59.320 --> 00:19:01.960 And Tom's mother and father came down for it. 325 00:19:01.960 --> 00:19:05.320 Walter Fisher was a wonderful man. Did you ever know him? 326 00:19:05.360 --> 00:19:05.640 No. 327 00:19:05.740 --> 00:19:09.060 He was the secretary of the Interior under Taft. 328 00:19:10.040 --> 00:19:10.040 329 00:19:10.680 --> 00:19:14.680 Tom and I lived with him for the first two years we were married, two or three years. 330 00:19:14.720 --> 00:19:19.040 He had a big house at 1313 Turn State Street, which isn't there anymore. 331 00:19:19.740 --> 00:19:24.080 It's been torn down, but it was a four-story house. They brought up the whole family there. 332 00:19:25.640 --> 00:19:28.620 And he paid for everything, so we were very lucky. 333 00:19:28.620 --> 00:19:33.160 He had two servants that he paid for, and paid for all the food. 334 00:19:33.860 --> 00:19:37.200 I adored him and he adored us, so it was perfect.