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Leave the world of the everyday

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To visit a world of fantasy a world of the imagination

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In fact, I'd like to have you come up very close right now and take a close look at my eyes

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and then with your vision I'd like to have you imagine a

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So the curtains close on a surrealistic dance, that's what you call having a ball with ballet

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I like the part about the eye because I figure that

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The eye is in the navel which makes it a sort of placental eye looking back toward beginnings

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But basically as a dance, it's for fun

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which I speak as if I know something about ballet, which is a lie I

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Would like to find out about ballet though and tonight I think you and I will as we talk with

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Ruth page who danced that?

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surrealistic dance

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Ruth page is now changing her clothes to look like an everyday human being to forget her surrealism

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Ruth page I'd like to tell you has

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contributed

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Tremendously to not only American ballet, but international ballet

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she was discovered by Anna Pavlova and

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Pavlova took Ruth page on a tour to South America

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She studied with Adolf boom who introduced her to Chicago and London

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She was the leading dancer in Irving Berlin's music box review and

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For two years the premier dances of the Metropolitan Opera

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the first woman

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So to be honored

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She'll be out with us in just a few moments something else. I'd like to tell you

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Ruth page was a guest artist with the ballet ruse de Monte Carlo

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She performed in Tokyo for the enthronement of Hirohito

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Of course, this was some time ago

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She was a guest artist in Moscow at the invitation of the Russian government

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Of course, the Russian government has sponsored ballet for so many many years

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She has contributed tremendously to the American ballet on the level of experiment and this we will find out about

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She started her ballet experience very early at the age of six

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Now these are just a few facts that I picked up from miss page

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before we went on the air, but now she's here dressed up like

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She looks in everyday life Ruth. I was talking with the people at home about

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the eye and the navel and the idea that it looks back toward beginnings and I mentioned the fact that

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You started your interest in ballet at the age of six, which is rather unusual

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Mr. Nardin, you have a very golden tongue and you know, my profession is dancing and not talking

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You really make my life sound like a fairy tale. So maybe I should start by saying once upon a time

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Well, I think once upon a rhyme would be wonderful. We could go back to that time when you were six

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Tell me about that. You actually became interested in ballet at the age of six

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Well, I lived in Indianapolis, Indiana as a little girl and my mother took me to see Anna Pavlova and

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After I saw Anna Pavlova, I really have been walking on air ever since I thought it was the world that I wanted to be in

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And even when I went backstage and saw all the dancers

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Sweaty and dirty and working. I was fascinated

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I saw them doing all holding on to the piano and holding on to the ladders and doing all these strange things with their feet

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I'm still fascinated with it. But I must say you do have to be a little bit careful

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you know one time I had an experience and I was doing a concert someplace and I was doing some very pretty dances and

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Afterwards I was very tired

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My makeup was off running down my face and I put on an old sweater and an old pair of trousers

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I had to pack my own trunk and some little girl came backstage and she said I want to see miss page

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I said well, I'm miss page and she said oh

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So since then I tried to be a little bit more glamorous backstage

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but you weren't you weren't so discouraged and I was thinking how unusual it is for

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after all a child of six

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so often children that age and even though they're decided going to be nurses or

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Doctor's or their boys or firemen or policemen

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But at the age of six you decided that you were going to the ballet and you did it

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Yes, and I I still am doing it. I'm gonna do it forever. I hope

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Well, you were an Indianapolis then and where did you get your first?

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Real training well actually you see there were no good ballet teachers there at that time

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So I learned by cutting out pictures from dance magazines putting the pictures all up on the wall

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I'd lie in my bed and look at these pictures and then practice them in front of the mirror

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Or I'd make up things myself and I really started choreographing or making up dances long before I ever knew anything about

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Dances and of course you are known today as a choreographer

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I really am more interested in much more interested in choreographing than I am in dancing by by way of say a parentheses here

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What is a choreographer for those who may not know?

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Well a choreographer is nothing but a composer of dances that means you make up all the steps and

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Well, he's much more than that actually he has to do everything

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But that's the main function is to make up all the steps and get the ideas for the ballets put the costumes together

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An artistic producer, you know, that's right. That's what it is

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Well now you you came in contact with Anna Pavlova at the age of six and then again later on

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I went to school then in New York and I took regular lessons then from Adolf Baum

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Then I went to South America as you've told

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Before I stayed with her there for a year

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My mother went with me and then I went back to school and I came back and finished

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Then I went to Europe and I was a long time in Europe really dancing in London with Baum

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And I joined the Ballet race to Monte Carlo

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But then my prince came along so I got married and I've been living happily in Chicago ever after

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Only I really haven't been here very much

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I've spent much more time away from Chicago than I do in Chicago. Of course you are known as

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Centralizing your activities here in Chicago and in the Midwest although you have traveled all over the world

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Well, I do all my experimenting here. I really do the first dance I ever did is this one

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I think this will make you laugh. It's the flapper and the quarterback. Take a look at it. Isn't it funny?

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Is this one of the dances that you choreographed?

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Yes, that's the very first one which shows that having been in Europe so much

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I think that it made me more self-consciously American than I might have been otherwise

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And this is you kicking your foot up so high

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Yes, the roaring 20s of the Charleston. Well, it was rather unusual then to do jazz in concerts

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Now I sort of started that and then I went on from there

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The first really big ballet I did was one that I did here called La Gea Bless

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It was based on a Martinique legend and I used 50 Negroes from the South Side

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I used to come down the South Side every day all summer here in Chicago

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Yes here in Chicago

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We worked very hard on it and we finally did it with the Chicago Symphony Orchestra and Katherine Dunham and I

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Stared together in it then we later did it at the opera

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So you see they were more adventuresome in those days than they are now. What does La Gea Bless mean?

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It means Diabless, it's the patois, the Martinique patois for Diabless which means she devil

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I was the she devil

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There's a little bit of a devil in all of us, but you women have your share

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What else did you do then? You went from this jazz influence?

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Oh, I went on I did a lot of jazz

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I did a ballet called Hear Ye, Hear Ye

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Which was the story of a murder trial as told by three witnesses and each of the three witnesses told it in an entirely different way

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The idea back at the ballet was how difficult it is to get justice in this world even in law courts

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There was a social content as I say or a social message in

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Oh, I was great on social content

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In those days I did another one called An American Pattern

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Which is all about the American housewife and all her problems and you know, there are a lot of them

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I know we have three children at home and my wife has her hands full

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Then actually I think that my best-known

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Ballet is one that I did with Bentley Stone for the WPA here

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It was based on the American folk song of Frankie and Johnny were lovers Oh Lord and how they could love

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And here's a picture where I am shooting. Mr. Stone out of the window. I'm Frankie and he's Johnny

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This is the section where they swore to be true to each other

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He'd already been unfaithful then and and he was served him right

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I think so too

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We have an interesting experience with this ballet when we did it in Paris we did it the

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Chantélysee theater not very long ago and the Paris audience was absolutely

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Scandalized when they saw a corpse and a coffin coming on the stage. Why should that be?

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Well, it's absolutely contrary to fruition custom to have a corpse for coffin on the stage

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And you see we had him carried with six American tap dancers and we thought it was rather amusing and everybody here did that

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Absolutely creative riot

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And here's the end of the ballet

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But they the audience booed and hissed and carried on they said they hadn't been such a riot in the Parisian theater

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Stravinsky played exactly du prompt on there when

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Actually, this seems rather strange that must be in the ballet particularly the theater there because they have the grand guillon which is

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Anyway, that's the way it was so they booed and hissed at least it was a reaction. Oh, it was fun

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It was very exciting. They had to call out the police

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Well, then we did another one this one maybe you'd be interested in

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This is the bells of Edgar Allan Poe the tint and abulation

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Abulation. Yes, you know how Edgar Allan Poe always starts with love and youth and

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Charm and then everything always disintegrates at the end very much as his own life

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Symbolized this not only in the dance

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But I had a church rising at the beginning and then at the end when everything stood in the disintegrate the church collapses

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Which is reminiscent of the fall of the house of us here. Yes sort of an eclectic ballet of the pole

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Yes, well his things are always in that way and people don't like them very much

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They don't like morbidity. You see I like sad endings. Don't you I rather enjoy poor

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I think he's one of our great American ladies. Well, they think so in Europe. Here's one

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I tell you the last jazz ballet I did was about Billy Sunday. He was making a sermon on

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Temptation sometime before Billy Graham. Yes. He was the original one I guess and

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Was about he had I picked four temptation

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Scenes and this is one of them actually I made the devil a baseball player

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The Billy was always having bouts with the devil, you know, and in the end, of course, he strikes him out. This one is of

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Bathsheba taking her bath with Billy over there at the side

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I see this to the right here. Is this Billy? Yes in the cloak. I see

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That's she was back there

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Then we had the wise and foolish virgins and

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Samson and Delilah

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One of the sections of the Bible. Yes, it was the Bible in slang

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They told him I did all the dancing and what was the reaction to this?

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No, it was very amusing people like that

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They we did it with the Ballet Rous to Monte Carlo and Danilo was not in part of her and she was she talked

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Frederick Franklin was Billy's son and they both talked which is rather unusual, you know ballet art is usually silent

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Well, then that was about the end of my jazz period. I haven't done anything in jazz for a long time

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I know you're interested in jazz, but to be chronological

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What did you do after you did?

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Well, I went into a sort of an abstract period actually, you know, there was a time there when

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We were all the artists I think were very much influenced by modern architecture

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Modern painting modern music and I was naturally very influenced too

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We were searching for new meanings inner meanings

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We did all kinds of strange things and I'll show you pictures of some of them

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Here's one that I did called expanding universe

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It looks as if you're wrapped up in a sack there

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Sack why it was quite hot in there, but I made interesting sort of sculpture s design

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These are some drawings that he saw Monoguchi made out of the

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Well, he's half Japanese of course here's another one in the same period where it was

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Strings instead of sacks. I love these pictures. Don't you they sort of freeze time?

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Of course we artists loved this period but the audience didn't always like it

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I remember during this period I was dancing with a great German dancer Harold Kreutzberg and

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We were got along fine when we were in the big cities, but once we went to a little town in Iowa

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And we thought our concert was a great big success

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We did all these very modern numbers and there was lots of applause and the next day

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There was a long review and paper about it and it said how wonderful we were what great artists we were

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And at the end it said we hope they never come back

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Well, what what time you know, this was recently of course

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What time would this be well that period was thought between 1935 and 40 when I was dancing with him

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Just coming out of the depression and just before the yes. It was a very interesting period

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There were no swan queens no sleeping beauties and it was in and here's another picture that might interest you

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You know, I I had two tours in the Orient and in all the places that I went I studied the native dancers

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I learned the Japanese dances in Japan with all these funny little head movements

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Then in Bali I studied these and learned these and I bought Balinese costumes and Japanese costumes

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Is this Balinese? No, this is not I

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Started to do these dances realistically like this and it was ridiculous because any

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Japanese girl could have done them better any Balinese girl could have done them better

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So I forgot it all and tried just doing an impression

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This is an impression of the tropics this dance is called tropic

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And I think it's one of the most successful because it I didn't do any of the movements

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I think the mass is probably influenced by no game

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In other words you attempted to get the essence of what you felt the Balinese

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Yes, and that's the way to do it, of course then this one is rather funny

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I think this is this is

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I guess you recognize me here. I am trying to represent toil, but I don't think that was very successful in that one

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It looked like a sailor got mad there. I don't I don't think that one was a very big success

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I think that I finished with that period fairly quickly without five years

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In other words this is you in we're speaking now in terms of of your development as an artist over a period of some time

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I began with a classical period then you went to the jazz period then which you might call American folk

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I call it my backyard period because I was looking around at home to see what material I could find at home

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abstract experimental each one experimental but in a different direction

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So now we're up to the abstract. Where do we go from here? Well lately I have been doing offers in the ballets

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I don't know how I ever got started on it

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I didn't complain I listened to it, but I didn't like the way they operas looked

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So I used to shut my eyes and listen to the beautiful music and then came all these ideas about how these wonderful

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Stories and how this wonderful music could be done

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Don't you recognize me? Is that you? Oh, yes. Oh, I'm sorry. I really am a little bit excited. Who did that?

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The same one who designed the stacks for all the that period expanding universe period. Oh that is from the abstract

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Exciting if he did the bells to he did be the church that rises and falls. Well now back to where we were

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This creating valley of opera you take what have you done in that field so far?

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Carmen of course that is a natural because all the tunes and other dance tunes and I called it guns and cast mits and

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I put it into the Spain of the revolution the fascist and loyalist revolution now

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motivation of the story and they listen to the music without reading all of the words that go with it and try to

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Get out it that way and I think it's better out the second one. I did was the Trovatore

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And I have a picture that this is actually the last act

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If I did it first at Mandel Hall in 1950, I think 51 no 51 I guess

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Just an experimental performance down there without any orchestra with the costumes that weren't quite successful

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So I liked it. However, I mean I love the music I should say and I love the crazy story

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You know that was originally based on a play in the 15th century Spain. It took them eight days to do the play

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So you've come full circle now you're

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Started out with the classical training along through jazz Americana abstract and now of course with your interest in making operas into ballet

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You have come full circle as we say and you're interested again in the legitimate classical ballet is a simple art form

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I'd like to ask you about that other sketch that you have back there. Well, this is by

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Bordman O'Connor of channel 11 and he did it especially for this part of there what you're going to see now

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It's by Beethoven is based the middle section of Beethoven's

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Sonata which is popularly called the patty peak. This is the adagio section

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The dancers are miss Barbara steel and mr. Charles Schick. They're both soloists of the Chicago lyric opera and

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with Ruth page into the imaginative world of ballet

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By the way last year with page

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Traveled 22,000 miles and visited 130 cities throughout the United States with her ballet group

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This she will do again this fall and winter

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I'd like to turn your attention now to some of the people who were connected with this half hour

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