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This is Chicago's west side.

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It has a reputation for juvenile violence.

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The teenagers here live on the streets.

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They lord over the corners.

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They've made a world of their own with unwritten laws and loyalties.

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This is Clarence Smith.

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His friends call him Jap.

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The words you hear belong to Jap and to his friends.

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What they have said is a description of their world as they see it.

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The judgments and evaluations of their lives and codes are made by them on their own terms

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with their own standards.

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The law is not a law.

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This here is our corner.

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But it ain't like it used to be.

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Used to be you couldn't walk up on this corner if you didn't know nobody.

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It was just like when you go to jail.

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If you go to jail and you don't know nobody, well, you just gonna get a weapon.

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Same on this corner.

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But it done cooled down now.

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Cops done got it uptight.

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We used to hang out in this place called a shack.

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But they done closed it down.

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Then we started hanging around the footlong.

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But they keep kicking us out.

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So now the only place we can have our fun is on the corner.

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And can't nobody close that down.

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Someday.

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Everybody up on this corner is vice-lords.

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You get with a bunch of guys on the corner and you ain't a vice-lord.

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Well, they figure you something else.

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They figure maybe you belong to another club.

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And if they figure that, you just might as well give it up right there.

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Because they gonna put some hurting on you.

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Somebody asks you if you're in a club, well, you tell them.

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You should never try to hide that you're a vice-lord.

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Because if you can't tell the truth, you should never join up.

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The vice-lords isn't an all right club to me.

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Until they get to juicing them.

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They feel like fighting.

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I don't go for that.

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Everybody over here drinks wine.

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Because they think that's the swinging thing to do.

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Some of the older boys can talk sins.

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But the young ones, they're ignorant.

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They're destructive.

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But I wouldn't say they're rough.

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They try to be.

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I mean, they do a good job of making people think they're rough.

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Because they're always jumping on somebody.

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A lot of people figure like this.

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Get rid of them before they start something.

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But I don't figure like that.

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I say, wait until something starts.

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Then if nobody messes with me, leave them alone.

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If they want to get drunk, then act a fool, let them.

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Once I was president of a sociable club called the Corvairs.

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13 and 14 year olds.

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But it got broke up.

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See, the vice-lords claimed that some of the Corvairs had shot at them.

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So they messed us up.

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Only, it wasn't the Corvairs who did the shooting.

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It was some boys with us.

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But the reason the vice-lords got aroused at us because,

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well, they were the boys who were shooting.

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It's like the police say, if you're with them, you're them.

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Everybody's got to stick together, man.

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Yeah, you got to have confidence in your fellows.

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If somebody's giving you a raw deal,

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the best thing to do is go on and bust the man up alongside his head,

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walk off and forget about it.

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Don't never underestimate a person.

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I've only been beat two times in my life.

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And that was by a person that I know what I could be.

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If a person do you wrong, sooner or later,

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he gonna have to come up on the corner.

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Because he got to go somewhere, and the first time you see him, that's it.

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Hey, gun, ain't no thing to have if you ain't got a cool head.

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If you're drunk, a gun will get you in trouble.

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If I get drunk, I'd do a hell of a lot of things

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that I wouldn't do if I weren't drunk.

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Yeah, that's me too, man.

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Your mother, she know if you're in the club or where you're at.

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Right now, I try to act as nice as I can to my mother,

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because she got an idea I'm with a gang.

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So she asked me, and I told her.

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She never said anything more about it.

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See, sometimes mother, they worry about their boys being in the club,

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because she want her kids to stay out of the way.

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They try to get out of trouble, and get the best of everything.

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They don't know.

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They try to pet their kid too much.

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They try to do too much for them.

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Mother got to put her kid in a class with every other kid,

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because no kid is better than the next.

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But most mothers is okay though.

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They do the best they can.

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Now, my mother, she always treated me nice.

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Now, so, every day when I went to school,

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she'd give me money to put in my pocket.

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She used to give me that because she never wanted me to steal.

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And she figured if I had money in my pocket,

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I wouldn't have to go out and rob nobody.

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I'd never been to jail for stealing nothing,

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because I never had it in my mind.

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Now, sometimes your mama gonna put you out.

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If she get tired of you acting a fool,

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and getting in trouble, she gonna put you out.

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This friend of mine, he ain't had no sense.

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His mother got tired of getting him out of jail.

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And she said she was gonna send him down south with his old man

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to keep him out of trouble.

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But he didn't want to go.

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So she said the next time he go to jail,

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she wouldn't get him out.

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He'd have to do his own thing.

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So he left home. He wanted to be on his own.

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That was his mistake. He say so himself.

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Now, fathers, there's something else.

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Some boys like their fathers, some don't.

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Now, me and my daddy, we was never close together.

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Because his wife never did like me and my mother.

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So I never messed around with him much.

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But one day I got sick.

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So my cousin started talking to him.

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He got worried, came over, and wanted to carry me to the doctor.

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I said, no, you wait until I got this old to do something for me.

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I don't need you to do nothing for me now.

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So we speak when we see each other.

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And just keep right on going.

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Most guys cares a lot about their mothers.

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Because see, mothers is on the side with their kids.

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And sometimes they is the only one on their side.

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I think maybe I'll go in the army and save up enough money

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to build my mother a home.

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I'd like to have something, something like one of them modern houses

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with a swimming pool in the backyard.

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I figured if I build her a home, I would have done my part for her.

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Then she won't have to be paying no more rent.

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I went to get me this job last week.

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It was all arranged.

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And the lady had been told I'd been in jail.

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But when she asked me what I'd been in jail for,

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I told her shooting a gun.

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Then she got all funny and said the job had been taken.

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That's like I was telling you.

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If you've been in jail, most people

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ain't going to give you no chance.

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What's the use of keep on going for a job

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if your record ain't going to let you get one?

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I'll tell you something, I'm not going to let you get one.

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I'll tell you what's the use.

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If you don't keep looking for a job,

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you're going to be walking the streets forever.

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What will happen then?

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Yeah, but you get tired of getting the brush off.

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I ain't got the brush off.

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In fact, I ain't got more than one brush off.

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See, the truth is that some people

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ain't going to hire you no matter what,

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even if you didn't have four years of college.

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Now, there's a lot of reasons why people won't hire you.

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Say if you were a former on this job,

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and they send me out to you and I show you my card

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that say I got a record.

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Now, what you going to do?

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Well, I would feel like this.

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If you seem to me that you really want to work,

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I think I would give you a chance to square yourself.

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But see, if you're not the boss and you hire me and I mess up,

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the big boss is going to say to you,

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what the matter with that boy you hired?

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He messing up.

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Now, you going to take a chance on losing your good job and hiring me?

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Well, if you don't look suspicious,

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and I don't get no idea,

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you don't think people look at you and don't get no suspicious ideas?

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Man, I'm going to tell you one thing, actually you don't know.

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Everybody who sound like they talking straight ain't straight.

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People's afraid to take a chance on you

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because there's been so many boys before you

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who look like they talking straight, but they ain't.

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I guess it all come down to one thing.

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You got to be hired to somebody who understand teenagers.

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People will hire you if they think you through a gang fight

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and going to come to work every day on time and do your job.

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But if they think you going to get on the job and start some trouble now,

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they ain't going to hire you.

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Most of the boys you see up on the corner,

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they don't care too much about fighting anymore.

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You see, you kind of get tired of living that kind of life

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because the more you fight, the more you going to hate yourself.

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In a way that is.

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Because when you fight somebody,

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next time you see them you might need a favor out of them.

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And all you going to get is a bust in the mouth.

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Boy, you got a lot to learn about women.

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And what you talking about?

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Now, they care, man.

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When you in love with this broad, she's got your nose.

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Don't let her know it.

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Man, no woman's got me stronger.

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No, we saw you with that broad last night.

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Yeah, she got your nose wide open.

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I ain't going to never let no broad have my nose.

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Too many more of them out there, Jack.

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If I get married, I'm still going to have me a spare.

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You treat people like you want to be treated.

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You understand?

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I mean, they going to treat you like they want to anyhow.

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But if you treat them nice, well, they probably treat you nice too.

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In them days, I was young.

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I liked to fight.

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It do me good to fight.

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Back in them days, the police was locking me up on the weekend.

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They was afraid I was going to start something.

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I can't go against the police too much, though.

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There's some of them that's good.

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The way I feel about it.

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They give me a fair shake, I give them one.

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You got to know how to treat police.

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They is just like a judge.

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If you go in that line to the judge, he's going to mess you up the best way he can.

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But if I figure if you tell him the truth, he's going to give you the benefit of the doubt.

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Yeah, but dig it, Jack.

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Some cats come up on the corner and putting the boys up along the wall

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just to get themselves a reputation.

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You find me a policeman that come out and roughhouse me on the street,

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and I'll do everything I can to make his job harder.

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Even if I have to go to jail.

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I don't know what to do.

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I told him he quit school until he told me.

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I told him he ain't nothing but a fool.

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Right now, if you ain't got no high school education,

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man, you ain't going to get no worthwhile job.

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Back in 58, I wasn't even thinking about no school.

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I figured I'd go out and get me a job, get some money, shoveling some dirt.

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I was digging foot in foot of these houses.

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Man, I got tired of that.

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I had to quit that stuff.

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I say, look here, man, I ain't working no more.

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He said, what's wrong?

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You digging that dirt out there real good.

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When I say, I'm going back to school, he say,

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you mean you going to school and quit your job?

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I say, give me that money, and I'll show you what I'm going to do.

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I quit.

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That stuff was getting me down.

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Come home every night, back about to kill me.

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Mm-mm, I'd be all messed up.

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What I say about school is this.

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Get as much education as you can,

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but don't run out in your fellas for nothing.

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What you mean by that?

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Well, I say if one of the fellas go to school

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and become a doctor or a lawyer,

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and then he come out of here and act like he don't know none of his old friends,

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man, that ain't right.

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It ain't no good for a guy who's been gang fighting

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to get into some money and then move out on his fellas.

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But let me ask you this.

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Say, for instance, you was planning to be a doctor,

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and there was another boy interested in being a doctor too.

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And he had some boys, some bad boys, and he was running with them.

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Would you try to encourage him to run with you,

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or would you just...

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I'd try to encourage him to run with me,

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and I'd try to encourage his boys to run with me.

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Plus, I'd try to encourage myself to run with me.

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I'd try to encourage myself to run with me.

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Man, we used to jam everything.

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Get a little taste of wine, and we'd get the feeling good.

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Shoot dice, play cards.

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Just having a whole lot of fun.

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Just ain't no we be frightened.

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That's when the things was really swinging.

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Man, you'd never find my mother holding no party.

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Mm-mm.

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She said she didn't want no hoodlums breaking up her house.

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Come on, let's go.

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What the people should know is that when you're young,

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You need some kind of recreation like baseball maybe now you ain't gonna get no young kid to play no baseball

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Man, why you say that cuz all they gonna do is what they want to do. You think all they want to do is fight

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Sure, that's why they do it. They ain't gonna do nothing. You don't really want to do at least I don't

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Oh

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Vice-Law getting out of the place today. He's coming home. He's been doing five years and that's a long time

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But you think time gonna change that man you think he still ain't gonna be with the fellas

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There'll be 35 guys getting out in the next two years some of them this month some of them next

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Now they've been gone a long time, but when they come home, they steal vice-law's time don't change nobody

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It's the way you treat them. You gotta give them a fair shake and we've been getting a better shake this year since the whole five years

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I've been game fighting

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Every year things change people's beginning to see more about teenagers like this summer not too much happen

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Next summer not as much gonna happen this did this summer cuz people they begin and understand teenagers

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but the most important thing for people understand is this as

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Long as a man is in the club he gonna stick with his fellas cuz nobody can live in this world by themselves

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Barron Smith and his friends know how to live on the streets they've grown up here, they've made the rules

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But when time comes for them to leave the corner, where do they go? What do they do?

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Who will have the patience to help them make the adjustment from the law of the streets to the laws of society?